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Oct 19 2009, 11:38 PM EDT by
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Does Dexter ever have the urge to go "outside" the code. Like does he ever just want to let loose and kill a random person walking by, or has the code formed his urge only to kill those who deserve it?
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RE: Harry Is Changing the code
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Oct 19 2009, 11:38 PM EDT
Does any one else see Harry differently this season? Is he changing the code or pushing Dexter to do things Dex does not want to do??
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What will St Peter say when Dexter Shows up at the Gates of Heaven?
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I have often wondered if the Code will actually be Dexters salvation. Dexter has this affliction, he can not hel himself that he is what he is. Since Dexter only kills those that need to be punished. Will he forgiven that he is or has killed. Does he get credit for the good stuff, or I should say he murders he has prevented?
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RE: What will St Peter say when Dexter Shows up at the Gates of Heaven
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May 17 2009, 1:24 AM EDT
"And I hope they keep it that way. Too many archetypal good guys on tv anyway." My truest and deepest thoughts are I agree with you. He can not really be 'Born Again', as in the Bible toten, Babtized in the river amonst a large crowd type of thing. One of the things I find very interesting though is that there are so many people that think Dexter is Great. They are on here posting and making it seem as though Dexter is the best thing since Chocolate met peanut butter. Now that a question like this has been posted they are calling him truely evil. It just seems so odd that they love him but have these horrable feelings about him. It is like they want more of him, but think he is awful. It is not a double standard, it is very strange how these people flip flop around. There are too many ... 'Archetypical Good Guyson tv anyway'... They do not seem very believable either. But so far Dexter is believable in his way.
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Harry's Code? Oh please!
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Jan 13 2009, 2:22 PM EST by
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Am I the only person out there that has trouble understanding the fact that Harry walked into the cargo box, picked up a three year old boy, and COMPLETELY IGNORED the six-year-old sitting in the blood next to him??? So Dexter gets a new family and Brian gets hospitalized? I've been trying to understand this for months now, and I would have thought there'd be some sort of explanation, but how can anyone consider Harry to be a moral compass knowing full-well that he could have taken both children in and didn't! And what kind of a$$hole splits up two small traumatized children??
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RE: Harry's Code? Oh please!
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Jan 13 2009, 2:22 PM EST
"I thought it was established that Harry & Laura were indeed having an affair. We know that Joe was Dexter's bio dad. We also know that Harry knew this. If you go back, it shows Dex in the hospital when he was younger and needed blood. Harry knew who to contact at that time for the transfusion. Remember Dexter writing the thank you card? Then he found it at Joe's house when he was going through his belongings. " Yes I remember it well,, Dream sequensce... Laura and Harry - Laura was wearing harrys Hat over her breasts and they were doing the Hibbidy Gibbidy, Dexter was already born and in the other room playing with his fire truck... Those were the days....
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Did Harry know who killed Dex's mom..........
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Dec 22 2008, 12:37 PM EST by
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Harry had an affair with Dexters mom, But is Harry Dexters real Father? I think this is why Harry took Dexter and not Brian. Is was also stated that Harry was using Dexters mom as one of his snitches and it was stated that he knew who killed her. Harry knew lot about Dexters mom I am sure more will come out soon.
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RE: Did Harry know who killed Dex's mom..........
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Dec 22 2008, 12:37 PM EST
"I just watched season 2 and there were 3 men arrested for those murders. 1 is dead, 1 is in prison for life, and one in witness protection. He owned that bar and the cabin in the everglades. Dex killed him, then the Killer on the run and then Doakes was held there till Lila torched the place." Thanks for this. I could not remember what happened to the third one. I knew one was dead, and Dex killed one (that was in the witness protection). But the one in prison for life was forgotten. I appreciate the info.
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What do you think of the Code of Harry?
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Nov 16 2008, 10:13 PM EST by
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Are Harry's survival lessons honorable (i.e. the efforts of a loving father to protect his son from the world and his dark nature) or misguided to the extreme?
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RE: What do you think of the Code of Harry?
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Nov 16 2008, 10:13 PM EST
"I'm probably repeating what's already been said, but here goes anyway.
One thing that jumps at me is not so much Harry's decision to install a code in Dexter at the point he realised Dexter had socipathic tendencies, but what he was doing before then.
Dexter was three years old when his mother was killed. He doesn't start killing animals until he's about eight, from what we can tell. What happened in those five years? Did he have no treatment at all in the time shortly after he was adopted?
Yes, I know that treatment for childhood trauma has probably come a long way since 1973, but still, it kind of defies belief that any foster parents would just assume the child would "get over it".
On the other hand, it's likely that Brian DID get some kind of treatment, but it made no difference to him at all. But then again, Brian didn't have the same loving family environment, moving from foster family to institutionalised care. He never got to experience love and support - things which, despite Harry's unconventional upbringing of him, Dexter had plenty of. My take on the situation is that their mother's murder psychologically damaged both Brian and Dexter, perhaps even causing damage to the part of the brain that controls empathy. This is why neither of them have any remorse for their killings.
With a loving family life AND proper psychological treatment, I think that both of them would have had a good chance of being able to overcome that trauma and be normal adults. But neither of them got both those things - Dexter got the loving family and Brian got the treatment. They needed both. " Of course we will never know about that part you are referring to in re: ( ..With a loving family life AND proper psychological treatment, I think that both of them would have had a good chance of being able to overcome that trauma and be normal adults.. ) I am not a person that thrives on being contrary, But I do not think it would have happened. I really think that the bent part of the brain that controlls their problem, is just that bent to the point that nothing will help them. Now remember that Brian was institutionalized until he was an adult. I think he went in very early like grade school age and I believe that is what he was when this happened. Brian became even more bitter and enraged at the process and all he wanted to do was get out and find his brother and start killing with his brother. Those missing years so to speak, I think Harry was watching Dexter like a Hawk to see just what he did and did not do. I think this is how he caught Dex as early as he did, and started the training for the code, it may have been the time Harry spent devising the code. At any rate, Harry was watching Dexter and when he saw the tell tail signs that Dex was doing bad things Harry was able to jump in and start his training. I am one that really feels Harry was not given the credit he deserves. I do understand all of you who think Harry missed the boat and should have taken him to see a Mental; Health Professional. Harry did what he felt was the best for his child. Harry so loved his son that he would do anythinghe could to make him safe. Harry so loved his profession that he saw the holes in it and wanted to protect the people that come under his protection. Harry could have done better I can agree. But he thought he was doing the right thing. Harry forgot about Deb. I think Shame on Harry. Harry maybe should not have taught vigilantism But Dexter was helping Miami and Dexter will never get an award. Shame on Miami
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The Code of... Dexter?
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At the end of Season Two, Dexter says that it's no longer Harry's Code. How do you think The Code will change and evolve in Season Three?
Use this thread to discuss.
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I Hated to See Doakes Die
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Jun 17 2008, 9:37 AM EDT by
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In Season 1, he was absolutely hilarious. I was disappointed to see the relationship change between him & Dexter. He picked at Dexter last year, but it wasn't serious until this year. And despite his ethics being called into question, I don't like it that his reputation was ruined. I love Dexter, but I wish they hadn't brought Doakes into it.
On a positive note, I'm glad they don't do cliff hangers. And.....I'm glad they had the class not to blow Doakes up 50 times.
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"I somewhat agree. I liked Doakes and he added a nice element to the show. He was a constant reminder that Dexter has to be careful, and it added tension in the first season that kept the idea that someday, Dexter could be caught, that he couldnt just glide through the world as a ghost.
That said, about part way through the Season, I started to sort of get used to the idea that Doakes had to be dealt with, and I am glad the show had the cajones to do it. Lets face it, to have the guts to kill off a character like that is something the average tv show wouldnt have done and in doing so, they have given Dexter life. I mean, it would have quickly become old hat to have Doakes constantly shadowing Dexter, hounding him for 4, 5, or even 6 seasons. My biggest complaint was that the show was beginning to lose it's way, and thus it's potential longevity with the path they were on. Dexter is a serial killer who tracks down bad people, with elite detective skills. In the first season, almost every episode had him tap-dancing through life, his emotions, Doakes, tracking another killer, a new victim every episode, all while trying to avoid being caught. In this season, we lost that, and spent much of our time watching Dexter wrestle with his internal demons but the threat of being caught was so prevalent that it took over and overshadowed any other aspect of the show. They had a point when they could have saved doakes character, when he thinks Dexter is an addict. But then they took it too far. I'm glad they didnt leave it at a cliff hangar either or have Doakes or Lila just 'disappear' to haunt Dexter again in subsequent seasons. at least now we have other things we can see. lets not forget, the old man Dexter killed may have killed his mother, but he didnt give the order. There's more to that story. Lundy, i believe, will return. There's harry's tale. The series has new wings with which to fly, and the sky, is the absolute limit." I think Lundy will return, too. I agree that Doakes was a necesary element for a time, and then, suddenly wasn't....necessary! I did enjoy Doake's humanity displayed when he was trapped and in danger. It is not his fault that he couldd not escape his survival training and cunning. But he was a human man, with a family, with past relationships. He knew his own failings, and alluded to them (the breakup with his wife, the broken past with LaGuerta, etc.). He had a soft spot for Deb even though he couldn't stand Dexter and thought things were hinky. But I really still am not happy with the whole quick disposal of Lila thing....
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"Be Sure" What does that mean?
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Oct 22 2007, 5:19 PM EDT by
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A whole lot of evidence pointing in one particular direction can still be dead wrong. So it can't just be the amount, right? What are the reasoning principles that Harry taught Dexter (& I bet he taught Debra too!)
For example, wouldn't Harry teach the difference between "circumstantial" evidence and confirming evidence? "All you've got is circumstantial evidence..." is a cop show cliche. But what IS 'circumstantial evidence'?!
Technically, you can claim a donut missing from the fridge is evidence for Bigfoot. On the other hand, it's equally evidence that your roommate ate it, or that Elvis ate it. [b]Circumstantial evidence is evidence for which there's still more than one explanation possible.[/b]
Generally, a mountain of circumstantial evidence still doesn't add up to any "real" evidence.... Ah, but there IS an exception: Sometimes two or more pieces of circumstantial evidence "cooperate" to only fit/allow one single explanation. SUDOKU puzzles are a wonderful allegory for how that works. Sometimes Dexter is using circumstantial evidence the way a SUDOKU player uses number clues. (This row can have an 8 in two places; that column can have an 8 in two places; the puzzle only works out with an 8 where they cross).
I think that's the kind of thing Harry probably taught his kids. What else? [i]What does "Be Sure" mean to you?[/]
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