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Goldilocks13

Goldilocks13
Harry's Code? Oh please!
Nov 24 2007, 10:16 PM EST
Am I the only person out there that has trouble understanding the fact that Harry walked into the cargo box, picked up a three year old boy, and COMPLETELY IGNORED the six-year-old sitting in the blood next to him??? So Dexter gets a new family and Brian gets hospitalized? I've been trying to understand this for months now, and I would have thought there'd be some sort of explanation, but how can anyone consider Harry to be a moral compass knowing full-well that he could have taken both children in and didn't! And what kind of a$$hole splits up two small traumatized children?? 20  out of 32 found this valuable. Do you?    
marksgforce
marksgforce
RE: Harry's Code? Oh please!
Nov 25 2007, 9:26 AM EST
The tapes that Dexter listened to with Harry promising Dexter he would never let anything happen the boys is what put the Code into question with Dexter.

On the positive side, you could say that Harry--
a. kept Dexter in his home despite his wife's protestations
b. recognized Dexter's dark side but didn't heap guilt blame on him
c. provided Dexter with a few ironclad principles to do "good" with his urges
d. spent as much time with his adopted son as he did with his daughter -- though some are suggesting that Dex is Harry's biological son
e. he taught Dexter survival skills

But you're right; not sure Harry is the paragon of virtue ...
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parriepenn

parriepenn
RE: Harry's Code? Oh please!
Dec 17 2007, 11:05 PM EST
Harry knew Brian was too old to be helped; he was hopelessly ruined. I remember Rudy talking about that.

Harry was hoping that Dexter was young enough to be saved. Harry showed great wisdom in leaving Brian behind. Even though it seems cruel, Brian would have eventually destroyed their family.
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dexgal
dexgal
RE: Harry's Code? Oh please!
Dec 17 2007, 11:08 PM EST
"Am I the only person out there that has trouble understanding the fact that Harry walked into the cargo box, picked up a three year old boy, and COMPLETELY IGNORED the six-year-old sitting in the blood next to him??? So Dexter gets a new family and Brian gets hospitalized? I've been trying to understand this for months now, and I would have thought there'd be some sort of explanation, but how can anyone consider Harry to be a moral compass knowing full-well that he could have taken both children in and didn't! And what kind of a$$hole splits up two small traumatized children??"
No you are not; this is discussed on two threads extensively. Glad you've brought it up again. Maybe we'll find out more in Season 3
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jwnelson11
jwnelson11
RE: Harry's Code? Oh please!
Mar 10 2008, 12:18 AM EDT
"Am I the only person out there that has trouble understanding the fact that Harry walked into the cargo box, picked up a three year old boy, and COMPLETELY IGNORED the six-year-old sitting in the blood next to him??? So Dexter gets a new family and Brian gets hospitalized? I've been trying to understand this for months now, and I would have thought there'd be some sort of explanation, but how can anyone consider Harry to be a moral compass knowing full-well that he could have taken both children in and didn't! And what kind of a$$hole splits up two small traumatized children??"
I think it is the fact that Dexter's diapers needed changng. Harry was going to go back to get Brian after changing the diapers, but by that time evryone else was there and he couldnt get to Brian.
It's Just a thought!!
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dexgal
dexgal
RE: Harry's Code? Oh please!
Mar 10 2008, 9:37 PM EDT
"I think it is the fact that Dexter's diapers needed changng. Harry was going to go back to get Brian after changing the diapers, but by that time evryone else was there and he couldnt get to Brian.
It's Just a thought!!"
yeah, that WAS in the day before disposable diapers were widely USED...
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jwnelson11
jwnelson11
RE: Harry's Code? Oh please!
Mar 11 2008, 1:51 PM EDT
"Harry knew Brian was too old to be helped; he was hopelessly ruined. I remember Rudy talking about that.

Harry was hoping that Dexter was young enough to be saved. Harry showed great wisdom in leaving Brian behind. Even though it seems cruel, Brian would have eventually destroyed their family.
"
There ws a big question mark about Harry and Dex's mom. I think the real answer is that Harry having known Dex's mom in the Biblical way may have gotten to know Dexter very well as Dexter was with her more being so young. I just feel that Harry had bonded with Dexter and did not know Brian very well, or if he did know Brian he may have seen that Brian was too wierd, and was beyond help.
Harry may have had a question in the back of his head that maybe he had fathered Dexter. It could be so simple that Dexter was closed to the door or compasion with Dexter being so young.
So to me I can see Harry picking the one he was fondest of, and had the most compassion for. May be Dexter was crying the loudest and he wanted to quiet him. I think you have a point about not wanting to split them up, but there again, would social services split them up anyway? I have heard a lot of stories of siblings being split when they get into that type of system. I really do not know much about that thing.
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DextersSidekick
DextersSidekick
RE: Harry's Code? Oh please!
Mar 11 2008, 2:08 PM EDT
"Am I the only person out there that has trouble understanding the fact that Harry walked into the cargo box, picked up a three year old boy, and COMPLETELY IGNORED the six-year-old sitting in the blood next to him??? So Dexter gets a new family and Brian gets hospitalized? I've been trying to understand this for months now, and I would have thought there'd be some sort of explanation, but how can anyone consider Harry to be a moral compass knowing full-well that he could have taken both children in and didn't! And what kind of a$$hole splits up two small traumatized children??"
i agree ive always felt bad that brian was left and split up from dexter and that he shouldve adopted both children but if it wouldve been written any other way we wouldnt have had such an awesome season 1
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Inato

Inato
RE: Harry's Code? Oh please!
Mar 11 2008, 8:57 PM EDT
Are we even sure that Harry would have been allowed to take them both? If you compare Brian and Dexter during that scene, Dexter showed no signs of comprehending what had happened and social services and whomever else were involved probably believed that he would repress the memory. Brian, on the other hand, knew what had happened and was obviously not going to forget it. I think no matter what they would not have allowed Harry to take Brian in and instead would want Brian to be with people experienced with troubled kids like him.

Not only this but I think no matter what the brothers were to be separated, it would not have been good for Brian to say something to Dexter to remind him of that day. I think that the only thing that Harry had a hand in, was where Dexter was going to live, the separation of the brothers was inevitable.
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jwnelson11
jwnelson11
RE: Harry's Code? Oh please!
Mar 12 2008, 10:25 PM EDT
........I think that the only thing that Harry had a hand in, was where Dexter was going to live, the separation of the brothers was inevitable.

So you dont think it had anything to do with needing a diaper change, Then???
I thought I had it nailed....
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marksgforce
marksgforce
RE: Harry's Code? Oh please!
Mar 13 2008, 12:46 AM EDT
Subsequent to when this thread was started we've discovered that Harry is not Dexter's biological father and knew that full well ...

Hmmm ... the lady in records who Dexter brings donuts to it probably knows a lot more than Dexter has been able to pry out of her ... she did say that Harry was never the same ...

Thought ... maybe Harry's code was as much for himself as it was for Dexter ... an attempt to rebuild a shattered psyche and coherent universe ... face it, any of us walks into that scene, we're not walking out the same person either ...
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jwnelson11
jwnelson11
RE: Harry's Code? Oh please!
Mar 13 2008, 10:52 PM EDT
Thought ... maybe Harry's code was as much for himself as it was for Dexter ... an attempt to rebuild a shattered psyche and coherent universe ... face it, any of us walks into that scene, we're not walking out the same person either ...

Again I don't mean to be contrary - But I don't understand how Harry could build this Code for himself and not for Dexter. I think it is just as it is being stated. Dexters personality is bent. He has a Big Big Hugh Problem, He likes to Murder People and for absolutly no reason, none what so ever other than it feels good to him to have the ability to kill something. This problem has grown from killing and torturing animals, local cats, neoghbors pets. He likes to KILL things for no other reason than it makes him feel good, it releases something inside of him and he gets an endorphine rush. He feels like he is in control of the other person, and he has the power of life and death.
Dexter IS a PSYCHOPATH!!! and He can not help it. It was a seed planted in him a long time ago. It has grown from torturing small insects and animals to Murdering Human beings and dismembering them and disposing of the remains.
Dexter has a bent personality that does not conform to the mainstream. On the Bell curve of life he is on the outer edge far away from the midline bell.
Harry Loved Dexter so much that he could see that in order to keep Dexter from being caught and imprisoned and executed something needed to happen. Harry devised a way for Dexter to at least look and act like the midline on the bell curve of life. Harry saw that this was the only way for Dexter to remain a free person. BUTT Harry also saw that Harry needed an outlet inorder for his personality to explode. Harry knew that this personality had to have an outlet or they will manifest this deviation in others ways. ahrry being a cop also knew there was a need for controlling other personality types. (more to follow)
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jwnelson11
jwnelson11
RE: Harry's Code? Oh please!
Mar 13 2008, 11:03 PM EDT
Continued from above - I have more to say:
So why not sick a killer on a killer. I know we all have been taught that two wrongs do not make a right. But in this case the two wrongs sort of cancell each other out. Sort of the old tit for tat sort of thinking.
Harry in his infinate wisdom, ( I say this tongue in cheek) saw the only way for Dexter to survive in this society was to:
# 1- Look and act normally.
He also knew that he had to have a release for theses dark urges, so
# 2 - To protect the 'good' society, he should teach Dexter to kill the career criminals espescially those that prey on the 'good' society.

I will not condone murder, and will not say any of this is really OK. But our favorite TV program has to have a story line, and this to me is a great one. In order to protect the good citizens of Miami from the bad eliment why not send one of thier own to take them out and thus protect the good eliment of Miami.
I think harry being a cop was sick of seeing all of the bad guys get off by using a slick lawyer and bad laws. So he had a plan to save his son and to protect Miami and empty the prisons.
If this was for Harry is was to keep his son out of jail and to help law enforcement.
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marksgforce
marksgforce
RE: Harry's Code? Oh please!
Mar 13 2008, 11:14 PM EDT
JW --

1. I didn't say the code wasn't for Dexter ... I just said that it might be for himself as well;
2. the majority of the code is doing the right thing as seen by Harry ... not how to hide being a serial killer!

Beyond this, there is an ongoing ambiguity written into the show ... is Harry really innocent or did he have his own demons... there's been several flashbacks where it almost seems that Harry is "leading" Dexter to the conclusion that he is the way he is and always will be ...
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jwnelson11
jwnelson11
RE: Harry's Code? Oh please!
Mar 13 2008, 11:15 PM EDT
I was just thinking - If Harry had not intervened, we would not be watching a show about our loveable Dexter and the madcap exploited of his extended family and friends. We would be watching the life and times of Jeffrey Dahmer (I know I spelled that wrong sorry) or that Ng guy from northern California in the early 80's. If you dont remember them read about them on the net, abd see how tey would kidnap, torture, rape, dismember and eat thier victims. We would not see a Harryified dexter we would see a monster. 2  out of 2 found this valuable. Do you?    
marksgforce
marksgforce
RE: Harry's Code? Oh please!
Mar 13 2008, 11:19 PM EDT
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nelak2247@yahoo.com

nelak2247@yahoo.com
RE: Harry's Code? Oh please!
Mar 14 2008, 2:33 PM EDT
i so agree and also dissagree. like brian said to dexter as he was taped up. henry saw a messed up kid he problably new he would need help and thought that he could help dexter. i think he could have told dexter that he had a brother when he was old enough. at least herry tought dexter not to just kill randum ppl like brian. 0  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    
jwnelson11
jwnelson11
RE: Harry's Code? Oh please!
Mar 14 2008, 6:47 PM EDT
"i so agree and also dissagree. like brian said to dexter as he was taped up. henry saw a messed up kid he problably new he would need help and thought that he could help dexter. i think he could have told dexter that he had a brother when he was old enough. at least herry tought dexter not to just kill randum ppl like brian. "
In do truely agree. But I think Harry was afraid at this point. I also think Harry was worried that if Dex made contact with his bro. Then Dex may have been swayed to the dark side for ever. That all of his (Harry's) teaching would be for nothing. Brian would have the ability to unleash the beast with in. A lot of Harry's teaching, I am sure was uncharted water for Harry. I think this is where all of the people that do not believe Harry did the right thing, comes in. Harry was trying to do what he thought was right and we can see the problems of his thinking.
But yeah, why didn't he mention that Dex had a brother. He could have done a sort offf the cuff sort of thing, Like ' Heay Dex. your mom may have had another kid. I am not sure, but I saw something that made me believe she had another child, I think it was given up for adoption so I dont know anything about it', sort of dialog. Then let Dexter work it out from there. But he did not. I think it would have been hard for Harry to do it as then Dex would find out about Harry 'dating' his mom, and all of the other things that we know about. It may have seemed like the, 'old Let sleeping dogs ly', sort of thing was the best approach forhim. This is why I think Harry was afraid to let Dex know about Brian.
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dexgal
dexgal
RE: Harry's Code? Oh please!
Mar 14 2008, 11:50 PM EDT
"In do truely agree. But I think Harry was afraid at this point. I also think Harry was worried that if Dex made contact with his bro. Then Dex may have been swayed to the dark side for ever. That all of his (Harry's) teaching would be for nothing. Brian would have the ability to unleash the beast with in. A lot of Harry's teaching, I am sure was uncharted water for Harry. I think this is where all of the people that do not believe Harry did the right thing, comes in. Harry was trying to do what he thought was right and we can see the problems of his thinking.
But yeah, why didn't he mention that Dex had a brother. He could have done a sort offf the cuff sort of thing, Like ' Heay Dex. your mom may have had another kid. I am not sure, but I saw something that made me believe she had another child, I think it was given up for adoption so I dont know anything about it', sort of dialog. Then let Dexter work it out from there. But he did not. I think it would have been hard for Harry to do it as then Dex would find out about Harry 'dating' his mom, and all of the other things that we know about. It may have seemed like the, 'old Let sleeping dogs ly', sort of thing was the best approach forhim. This is why I think Harry was afraid to let Dex know about Brian."
I think that you are right, that Harry wanted to keep Dexter away from any other influence that would've fed his darker nature. Maybe Harry felt, like many of us parents, that he was only barely holding the forces at bay with his strict teachings. And, yeah, we don't want our children to know that we have feet of clay, have affairs, make big mistakes, etc. Nice post!
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jwnelson11
jwnelson11
RE: Harry's Code? Oh please!
Mar 15 2008, 12:09 AM EDT
.......Nice post! ..... thank you for noticing,
Butt you should see the rest of me.
LOL (I am bad I know) I am sorry
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