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jwnelson11
jwnelson11
60. RE: Cackling Witch Lila
Dec 2 2007, 1:22 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 2 2007, 1:22 PM EST
"Lila could be former law enforcement?"
I agree with you on this.
I do not think Dexter gave his real mom mch thought until Brian found him, and told him all about it. Remember Dexter may have blocked a lot of that out until he wnt into that blood filled room, and than when Brian sarted messing with him more. He started to remember about his mom. He had blocked a lot of things out. This may be part of the syndrome he has, Meaning the Serial killer. I have asked before, what caused that, wasit heritary? or was it a traumatic event? or what causes this to happen, I started a thread about it a while back.
If this trauma blocked something in his mind to forget about his past, and take on the personality of a killer. Is his why he is what he is? and Brian too? or is it Heritary? It may be that the trauma of seeing his mother buchered caused him to shut down emottionally, and now that he is getting past this he will move past his addition. This may be the end of the series. That Dexter has moved past his affliction because he is moving past his repressed memory of his mothers death. Harrys Code did in fact save him. Who knows
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dexgal
dexgal
61. RE: Cackling Witch Lila
Dec 2 2007, 5:26 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 2 2007, 5:26 PM EST
"I agree with you on this.
I do not think Dexter gave his real mom mch thought until Brian found him, and told him all about it. Remember Dexter may have blocked a lot of that out until he wnt into that blood filled room, and than when Brian sarted messing with him more. He started to remember about his mom. He had blocked a lot of things out. This may be part of the syndrome he has, Meaning the Serial killer. I have asked before, what caused that, wasit heritary? or was it a traumatic event? or what causes this to happen, I started a thread about it a while back.
If this trauma blocked something in his mind to forget about his past, and take on the personality of a killer. Is his why he is what he is? and Brian too? or is it Heritary? It may be that the trauma of seeing his mother buchered caused him to shut down emottionally, and now that he is getting past this he will move past his addition. This may be the end of the series. That Dexter has moved past his affliction because he is moving past his repressed memory of his mothers death. Harrys Code did in fact save him. Who knows"
Good posting, jwnelson11, although I still don't know if I can equate being a serial killer with an addiction, only because the people I've known with additions, even if they have moved past their afflictions, have unfortunately either screwed themselves up chemically and physically and emotionally that they are still ultimately doomed. I'm probably not making much sense, and, yeah, it is wonderful that emotions for Dexter seem to coming to the surfact. I think one reason, thought, that so many of us watch this show is that because of not having feelings, Dexter adhered to the Code when it came to choosing his victims. If he becomes "feeling" , knows love, hate, rage, what kind of killer would be become then? We see too many of those types of killer in the world...okay, I'll shut up!
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Morgaine
Morgaine
62. RE: Cackling Witch Lila
Dec 2 2007, 10:59 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 2 2007, 10:59 PM EST
The correspondence between addiction and killing is a valid one. It's an irresistable impulse. There may be a familial prediliction for addictive behavior, or to a specific substance, but professionals don't acknowledge any heriditary connection to violence. I believe that the XYY predisposes males to violence, but that's a controversial theory. Brian and Dexter most certainly imprinted their mother's murder, Dexter having an addiction to blood, Brian wanting the blood to go away.

The writers have done an excellent job with Lila's character. This is why I hate people like that - nothing they do follows any kind of logic. It would have been reasonable for her to drug Angel and sneak out. It makes NO sense for HER to take the roofies and claim Angel assaulted her. Poor Angel. And poor Dexter - he's completely unprepared to deal with a psycho like Lila. Harry could not have anticipated her. Dex is in uncharted waters. People like that are so dangerous because of their disorganization - everything she does will come out of left field.
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jwnelson11
jwnelson11
63. RE: Cackling Witch Lila
Dec 2 2007, 11:02 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 2 2007, 11:02 PM EST
"Good posting, jwnelson11, although I still don't know if I can equate being a serial killer with an addiction, only because the people I've known with additions, even if they have moved past their afflictions, have unfortunately either screwed themselves up chemically and physically and emotionally that they are still ultimately doomed. I'm probably not making much sense, and, yeah, it is wonderful that emotions for Dexter seem to coming to the surfact. I think one reason, thought, that so many of us watch this show is that because of not having feelings, Dexter adhered to the Code when it came to choosing his victims. If he becomes "feeling" , knows love, hate, rage, what kind of killer would be become then? We see too many of those types of killer in the world...okay, I'll shut up!"
I know it is a stretch in this case to equate this as an addiction. But he / they did at the beginning of the season when he went to a 12 step program. You are right about addictions being more related to those that are chemically dependant and thus have wrecked them selves physically. But every addiction also includes the relationships they have with those around them. Thsy also wreck those too. An addiction is something they have no control over. Wether it be drugs alcohol, food sex money, gambling and serial killing. It is a form of addiction. Have you seen the movie Mr Brooks?(I think I asked you about that before), In that movie it leans more toward the addiction of a serial killer. Great movie. It shows the other sides of this that Dexter does not delve into.
and Dont Shut Up.. You have a lot to contribute. or are you feeling rage love anger hate etc? lol
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emerald6543
64. RE: Cackling Witch Lila
Dec 3 2007, 4:17 AM EST | Post edited: Dec 3 2007, 4:17 AM EST
I just watched "Mr. Brooks", and thought it was an excellent movie, one of Costner's best. We see in Dexter the same kind of struggles we see portrayed by Costner & Stacy. The difference betwen the two films is Costner knows who he is and Dexter is still trying to find out who he is. Bringing the addiction aspect into serial killing for me is a bit of a stretch. While having the urge or need to drink alcohol, take drugs, or even substitued any number of "addictions" for another, I have never met anyone in a twelve step program who felt the need to serial kill, or would admit that that was the real reason for them being there. It is after all, it is an Honest program.... In both of these dramas, relapse has occured ... why is that? The twelve step programs do work, for them that do work the program.... Do you find this valuable?    
jwnelson11
jwnelson11
65. RE: Cackling Witch Lila
Dec 3 2007, 11:10 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 3 2007, 11:10 PM EST
"I just watched "Mr. Brooks", and thought it was an excellent movie, one of Costner's best. We see in Dexter the same kind of struggles we see portrayed by Costner & Stacy. The difference betwen the two films is Costner knows who he is and Dexter is still trying to find out who he is. Bringing the addiction aspect into serial killing for me is a bit of a stretch. While having the urge or need to drink alcohol, take drugs, or even substitued any number of "addictions" for another, I have never met anyone in a twelve step program who felt the need to serial kill, or would admit that that was the real reason for them being there. It is after all, it is an Honest program.... In both of these dramas, relapse has occured ... why is that? The twelve step programs do work, for them that do work the program.... "
I really thought it was timely. I liked the movie. The more questions it answered for me re: Dexter there were more that I had re: Dexter.
With my limited experience with 12 steps - What ever demon the Addictee is fighting causes them to want to go back to a more comfortable way of life.
They say the one thing a person dealing with an addiction has to do is completely change thier life, and thier friends. They tend to go back to the same place they were comfortable at while they were using. Then they slip back into the addiction. I am talking about anything they have no controll over Like eating, spending money, gambling etc. If they went back to were they were before they started 12 steppin. So if they get into one of those slippery places they can slip back to addiction. This is why they are Never Cured, and they are always In Recovery. It is a horrible place to be. I admire every person i see that are in Recovery, It is a daily battle with this demon that is calling them back to thier addiction. I am really held in awe by those that make it many years down the road. It does amaze me. These are truely strong people.They have a lot of sayings that are used to keep them safe. (right now I can not think of one)
So to equate this as an addiction I can see it. Because an addiction is something they have no controll over. We tend to think of it all as a substance use or over use problem. But believe it or not I have heard people say that they had one drink and they knew they had a problem, for them it was not an over use or abuse it was a knowlege that they had no controll over alcohol. That is what an addiction is something you have no controll over. Dexter / Mr Brooks have no controll over this thing that they do. So really, is it an addiction? Both of these characters are in a 12 step program, but they are not admitting to being a serial killer, these programs are based on honesty. If a person is not really Honestly there for the program Then??
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dexgal
dexgal
66. RE: Cackling Witch Lila
Dec 4 2007, 1:26 AM EST | Post edited: Dec 4 2007, 1:26 AM EST
jwnelson11, good summary. I think what I was tyring to say somewhat inarticulately before is that while someone in recovery from gambling, alcohol or other chemical, sex, etc. does live with consequences even after "amends" are made, etc., I couldn't put serial kiling in the same category. No amends can be made...we are all changed by our own addictions, habits, but how much damage is done to a person who kills other repeatedly? Anyway, that's what i'm (stil) having trouble expressing...

(So to equate this as an addiction I can see it. Because an addiction is something they have no controll over. We tend to think of it all as a substance use or over use problem. But believe it or not I have heard people say that they had one drink and they knew they had a problem, for them it was not an over use or abuse it was a knowlege that they had no controll over alcohol. That is what an addiction is something you have no controll over. Dexter / Mr Brooks have no controll over this thing that they do. So really, is it an addiction? Both of these characters are in a 12 step program, but they are not admitting to being a serial killer, these programs are based on honesty. If a person is not really Honestly there for the program Then??)
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Morgaine
Morgaine
67. RE: Cackling Witch Lila
Dec 4 2007, 3:09 AM EST | Post edited: Dec 4 2007, 3:09 AM EST
"jwnelson11, good summary. I think what I was tyring to say somewhat inarticulately before is that while someone in recovery from gambling, alcohol or other chemical, sex, etc. does live with consequences even after "amends" are made, etc., I couldn't put serial kiling in the same category. No amends can be made...we are all changed by our own addictions, habits, but how much damage is done to a person who kills other repeatedly? Anyway, that's what i'm (stil) having trouble expressing...

(So to equate this as an addiction I can see it. Because an addiction is something they have no controll over. We tend to think of it all as a substance use or over use problem. But believe it or not I have heard people say that they had one drink and they knew they had a problem, for them it was not an over use or abuse it was a knowlege that they had no controll over alcohol. That is what an addiction is something you have no controll over. Dexter / Mr Brooks have no controll over this thing that they do. So really, is it an addiction? Both of these characters are in a 12 step program, but they are not admitting to being a serial killer, these programs are based on honesty. If a person is not really Honestly there for the program Then??)
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Is it exactly an addiction - No, it just has similarities to addiction if the addict you are talking about has a physical predisposition to addiction. Some people are addicts whether they abuse a substance or not. Some people don't have addictive personalities but they can't process alcohol. This is common in the Native American community - we don't process alcohol like white people do, and there are other aspects of our lives -- loss of culture, a sense of displacement, poverty, etc - that makes addiction more likely.

What Dexter has is a bad imprint. He has experienced trauma that created a sexualized response to killing, just as a person who is molested may imprint a sexualized response to pain or to people the same age that they were when they were victimized. They compulsively seek to reenact the trauma. An imprint acts as if it's hard-wired into the individual. It never goes away. In that way, Dexter would always be "in recovery" even if he never killed again, but from what we've been given, Dexter will always kill.
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emerald6543
68. RE: Cackling Witch Lila
Dec 4 2007, 4:05 AM EST | Post edited: Dec 4 2007, 4:05 AM EST
In NA, one of the most used "slogans" is "Do not use no matter what" literly interpreted to mean that one must be willing to do what ever it takes not to use (the drug of choice or any other, including alcohol) and what ever it takes is, what ever it takes! There is more to "recovery" than just being abstainant. that is what the 12 steps are about. They are a set of principles to live by, based upon the firtst three, I can't handle it, God Can, and I think I will let him. In the case of Mr. Brooks, he prayed, but he still went about the business of researching the kill, and ultimately he pulled the trigger. If Dexter had called Lila his "sponsor", before he killed the guy that killed his mother, and then had not killed him, well then he could to have been said to still be in recovery. As it was, her "sponsorship" role has been misrepresented by the script for the sake of making a tv show whose objective it is to get people to watch it, consequently Dexter is doomed to go on killing... 1  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    
jwnelson11
jwnelson11
69. RE: Cackling Witch Lila
Dec 13 2007, 1:11 AM EST | Post edited: Dec 13 2007, 1:11 AM EST
emerald6543 I like your reply, but I am not sure I understand this part of the reply.

(........ If Dexter had called Lila his "sponsor", before he killed the guy that killed his mother, and then had not killed him, well then he could to have been said to still be in recovery. As it was, her "sponsorship.......)

I thought a sponcor was a sponsor, and it was thier goal t help keep the sponcee to stay straight. Even if there are slip ups or back slides, They will be there to kick butt and support ad what ever it takes to keep them free of actions. To help deal with the urges that will always be there. To help sublimate the desires. So as a sponsor she will always have a job unless she becomes totally ineffective or fired/replaced, or quit. I guess part of my posting was that I was pointing out that Dexter was to choose a person that was right for him. Not just the first person that made eye contact. He was only going through the action cuz he was not really into it as he should have been. He was only pleasing Rita and not himself.
I like our saying/ slogan/ motto - Do not use no matter what" literly interpreted to mean that one must be willing to do what ever it takes not to use (the drug of choice or any other, including alcohol) and what ever it takes is, what ever it takes!
Too many people think it is just not useing the demon of choice - It is so much more. Like they say 'It works - If you work it'. I believe that, I personally have seen too many positive results, and also too many bad outcomes. I truely believe in the program.
There is a lot of talk about the 'Book' in a lot of the other threads. When I see that I want to say the last time I heard so much reference to the book was at an AA/NA meeting when they reference the Big Book or The Blue Book, or Biil's Book. So the next time i see a reference to the book I will say that. I know u understand what I mean.
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jwnelson11
jwnelson11
70. RE: Cackling Witch Lila
Dec 13 2007, 1:27 AM EST | Post edited: Dec 13 2007, 1:27 AM EST
I ran out of room, to my blathering:

Like I said in my earlier posting Dec 3. i have seen the most courageous people in the Meetings. Alcoholic and NA that are truely working the program are the strongest They have looked that monster in the eye, and hose to do battle with it, and It Is Not Easy. It is not abstainance at all, that is sort of easy. It is dealing with the feelings of being sick, and of that Monster in your head, trying to trick you into thinking you can controll it so why not use again right now, and you can uit anytime. That monster that really does not care that you have not bathed or changed your clothes, and that your teeth are rotting. That the dialog in yor head is so depressing and none of it the trueth. That you would seel your soul for what ever it is that makes it OK for you for that moment.
The people that are in Recovery and have stayed there, and if they make a trip out - they return. These are the ones that I admire very much, they know what life is all about. The people that have not idea that this world is out there are so nieve I do not trust them.
Any way, I have so much admiration for the Recovering AA/NA - anyone wih an addiction that they have come to terms with.
I am not so sure I can be that strong if I ever have to deal with that. Luckily I have only had to deal with it as an observer / student. Well actually my mother ad brother had the AA problem. But I was one of the nieve people that was clueless what they were doing, I wish I knew then what I know now I could have been more help. I did fail them. I do regret that.
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