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Morgaine
Morgaine
40. RE: Cackling Witch Lila
Nov 29 2007, 8:40 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 29 2007, 8:40 PM EST
Yeah, Angel has been lonely for a while, I guess. I just hate that she's going to use him and throw him away. I hope he doesn't get hurt. Do you find this valuable?    
target33
target33
41. RE: Cackling Witch Lila
Nov 29 2007, 11:56 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 29 2007, 11:56 PM EST
hmm, good idea.. maybe. I thing though that when LilA finds out that rita and dex are back together, she's gonna set their house one fire, thus Dexter will have to kill her!!!! YEAH!!! Do you find this valuable?    
Morgaine
Morgaine
42. RE: Cackling Witch Lila
Nov 30 2007, 12:18 AM EST | Post edited: Nov 30 2007, 12:18 AM EST
Anybody think that Lila will survive until Season 3? She's an awfully good character. But then so was Brian. 1  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    

Phaze33
43. RE: Cackling Witch Lila
Nov 30 2007, 10:19 AM EST | Post edited: Nov 30 2007, 10:19 AM EST
I think He's going to kill her on the last episode of this season, well atleast I'm hoping so:)~. I think she's going to do something terrible to Rita and the kids and that would get Dexter furious. Do you find this valuable?    
marksgforce
marksgforce
44. RE: Cackling Witch Lila
Nov 30 2007, 12:53 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 30 2007, 12:53 PM EST
question: how did Lila get Jiminez's phone number to call him? Did Dexter tell her about him on the drive down a couple episodes back? Did he say, here's his phone number? Because with his lifestyle, I doubt he's in the phone book.

Any chance of a connection there? I don't see how or what. And it's not like she walked up to Dex off the street. He went to a meeting and she was already there.

Somebody may have an easy answer to clear this up. 2  out of 2 found this valuable. Do you?    
GPuffer
GPuffer
45. RE: Cackling Witch Lila
Nov 30 2007, 1:36 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 30 2007, 1:36 PM EST
"question: how did Lila get Jiminez's phone number to call him?"
I guess the writers could say, "Well, she called Jimenez' bar, the Swamp." And then we say, "But how did she know the name of the bar?" And then they say, "Well, dammit, Lila and Dexter did a lot of talking offscreen." And we go, "Oh, yeah, well, whatever."
Very interesting question. It did seem rather easy, especially given, as far as we knew, Lila didn't know anything about Jimenez except that he was some guy woh'd murdered Dexter's mom. Am I misremembering? Did Dexter tell Lila Jimenez' name? Do you find this valuable?    
marksgforce
marksgforce
46. RE: Cackling Witch Lila
Nov 30 2007, 1:38 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 30 2007, 1:38 PM EST
"I guess the writers could say, "Well, she called Jimenez' bar, the Swamp." And then we say, "But how did she know the name of the bar?" And then they say, "Well, dammit, Lila and Dexter did a lot of talking offscreen." And we go, "Oh, yeah, well, whatever."
Very interesting question. It did seem rather easy, especially given, as far as we knew, Lila didn't know anything about Jimenez except that he was some guy woh'd murdered Dexter's mom. Am I misremembering? Did Dexter tell Lila Jimenez' name?"
Your last question is at the heart of my question. I can't remember anything being said in terms of people and place names. That COULD hint that there was a connection between Lila and Jiminez ... unlikely, but it's still so strange and sore-thumb-ish that she just up and called the guy ... Do you find this valuable?    

Phaze33
47. RE: Cackling Witch Lila
Nov 30 2007, 2:27 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 30 2007, 2:27 PM EST
I agree...I think there's some kind of connection between the two of them. Lila probably know's of Dexter's past and thats why she keeps saying she can see thru the mask ( his addiction), and she can help him. The only thing... The way they met.... how would she know that he would attend those meetings? Do you find this valuable?    
Morgaine
Morgaine
48. RE: Cackling Witch Lila
Nov 30 2007, 5:02 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 30 2007, 5:02 PM EST
i don't think there's a basis to connect Lila to Jimenez. Dexter never hesitated to use the guys name to Lila - she knew where he was going, I think.

Lila was just at the meeting because that's where she goes to find addicted men. She was looking for someone like Dexter - notice she zeroed right in on him. It's an obvious place to find a certain kind of guy. Do you find this valuable?    
GPuffer
GPuffer
49. RE: Cackling Witch Lila
Nov 30 2007, 6:47 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 30 2007, 6:47 PM EST
"Lila was just at the meeting because that's where she goes to find addicted men. She was looking for someone like Dexter - notice she zeroed right in on him. It's an obvious place to find a certain kind of guy. "
You are the most insightful poster on this site, by far. I'm going to watch the first Jimenez episode again soon. I agree that Lila has no previous connection to either Dexter or Jimenez. Do you find this valuable?    
Morgaine
Morgaine
50. RE: Cackling Witch Lila
Nov 30 2007, 11:15 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 30 2007, 11:15 PM EST
"You are the most insightful poster on this site, by far. I'm going to watch the first Jimenez episode again soon. I agree that Lila has no previous connection to either Dexter or Jimenez."
Thank you - I've just known a lot of bizarre people.

Doesn't it seem odd that Dexter never looked into who killed his mom and what happened to them? Do you find this valuable?    
dexgal
dexgal
51. RE: Cackling Witch Lila
Dec 1 2007, 6:10 AM EST | Post edited: Dec 1 2007, 6:10 AM EST
"Thank you - I've just known a lot of bizarre people.

Doesn't it seem odd that Dexter never looked into who killed his mom and what happened to them? "
Maybe he wasn't "feeling" her loss as much until now, now that so many emotions are bubbling up? I am up too early, not making sense after rewatching scene from all the episodes most of the night, but is there any way at all that Lila could be former law enforcement? Do you find this valuable?    
marksgforce
marksgforce
52. RE: Cackling Witch Lila
Dec 1 2007, 6:01 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 1 2007, 6:01 PM EST
"Thank you - I've just known a lot of bizarre people.

Doesn't it seem odd that Dexter never looked into who killed his mom and what happened to them? "
Didn't Harry steer him away from the case? Didn't he have the file room gatekeeper hide evidence from Dex? Didn't he give him other things to occupy his mind?

That said, yes, as diligent and obsessive as Dex can be, you would have thought he would have been after that like the Holy Grail ... Do you find this valuable?    
Morgaine
Morgaine
53. RE: Cackling Witch Lila
Dec 1 2007, 8:27 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 1 2007, 8:27 PM EST
"Maybe he wasn't "feeling" her loss as much until now, now that so many emotions are bubbling up? I am up too early, not making sense after rewatching scene from all the episodes most of the night, but is there any way at all that Lila could be former law enforcement?"
A person like Lila would never have had the discipline to be law enforcement. She's lived on the fringes of the art scene, living off boyfriends who sold drugs and an occasional grant or endowment for the arts. It would be hard even to find a paper trail on someone like her - she'd go for years at a stretch without so much as having a phone in her name. Do you find this valuable?    
Morgaine
Morgaine
54. RE: Cackling Witch Lila
Dec 1 2007, 8:29 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 1 2007, 8:29 PM EST
"Didn't Harry steer him away from the case? Didn't he have the file room gatekeeper hide evidence from Dex? Didn't he give him other things to occupy his mind?

That said, yes, as diligent and obsessive as Dex can be, you would have thought he would have been after that like the Holy Grail ..."
Yes, in fact, Harry probably warned him not to look into the case because it might draw attention to him. He probably decided he didn't have a choice when Brian started leaving him clues. Do you find this valuable?    
GPuffer
GPuffer
55. RE: Cackling Witch Lila
Dec 1 2007, 10:18 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 1 2007, 10:18 PM EST
"Thank you - I've just known a lot of bizarre people.

Doesn't it seem odd that Dexter never looked into who killed his mom and what happened to them? "
You're welcome. Bizarre people are the best.
If I understand your question, you are wondering why Dexter never looked into his mother's murder before the Ice Truck Killer came around. Is that right? If so, he didn't look because he didn't know anything about a murder. He asks Harry in one episode in season 1 what did happen to his parents, but Harry won't talk about it. I think it's the scene where Dexter's new birth certificate comes into play. Dexter knows his parents are gone, but he doesn't know anything more than that. It was only after Rudy sent him on the trail did all those memories start coming back. And when season 2 opens it's only 38 days, 16 hours, and 12 minutes since he killed his brother. He's had no chance to do anything because of Doakes being on his tail.
Or did you mean something else? Am I misunderstanding you? Do you find this valuable?    
Morgaine
Morgaine
56. RE: Cackling Witch Lila
Dec 1 2007, 11:15 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 1 2007, 11:15 PM EST
"You're welcome. Bizarre people are the best.
If I understand your question, you are wondering why Dexter never looked into his mother's murder before the Ice Truck Killer came around. Is that right? If so, he didn't look because he didn't know anything about a murder. He asks Harry in one episode in season 1 what did happen to his parents, but Harry won't talk about it. I think it's the scene where Dexter's new birth certificate comes into play. Dexter knows his parents are gone, but he doesn't know anything more than that. It was only after Rudy sent him on the trail did all those memories start coming back. And when season 2 opens it's only 38 days, 16 hours, and 12 minutes since he killed his brother. He's had no chance to do anything because of Doakes being on his tail.
Or did you mean something else? Am I misunderstanding you?"
That was it - I forgot about, or maybe didn't know about, the new birth certificate. I didn't get obsessed with the show until this year, though I do think I saw every episode in the first Season. I wasn't watching for that much detail though.

And yes, I love people who let their freak flag fly. Normal people are so... normal. Do you find this valuable?    
jwnelson11
jwnelson11
57. RE: Cackling Witch Lila
Dec 2 2007, 12:56 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 2 2007, 12:56 PM EST
"Exactly, Morgaine. She wants to crawl into his skin."
And eat his flesh. Not really I had a flash back of a boo I read. But I cant remember anymore other than that the writer had the bad person do that crawl into the skin and eat the flesh. I did not finish the book. Sorry I should go away now. Do you find this valuable?    
jwnelson11
jwnelson11
58. RE: Cackling Witch Lila
Dec 2 2007, 12:57 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 2 2007, 12:57 PM EST
"When I heard Lila's witchy cackle as Dex turned to leave his office it made the hair on the back of my neck stand on end. And howcan his coworkers be so crass as to wine and dine her knowing she and Dex broke up and he looks horrified to be near her. For cops they are very dense. They should be able to pick up on this or maybe his outright statments about her being nuts.

Come on guys think with your brain instead of your ......"
That is the way I felt about her from the start. It is like the nails on the chalk board thing for me.
(Mommy I am afraid - Please hold me!!!!) Do you find this valuable?    
jwnelson11
jwnelson11
59. RE: Cackling Witch Lila
Dec 2 2007, 1:05 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 2 2007, 1:05 PM EST
"question: how did Lila get Jiminez's phone number to call him? Did Dexter tell her about him on the drive down a couple episodes back? Did he say, here's his phone number? Because with his lifestyle, I doubt he's in the phone book.

Any chance of a connection there? I don't see how or what. And it's not like she walked up to Dex off the street. He went to a meeting and she was already there.

Somebody may have an easy answer to clear this up."
Did n't she know where to find him, meaning didn't Dexter tell her where he was going wen they went to confront him at the start. It may have been a long drive but I do not think she is above anyhing. She could have driven back to the bar and talked to him, and gotten all of the contact info at that time. At least that is how I think it happened.
But there is that saying, 'Biirds of a feather flock together'. There may be the cocaine connection, was it cacain or Heroine that her old boyfriend Marco got her useing? It may have been Heroine now that I think of it.
I feel she is not above anything. She will do anything shecan to get that man of hers. Do you find this valuable?    
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