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Morgaine
Morgaine
25. RE: Where do you think they'll go?
Dec 18 2007, 9:16 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 18 2007, 9:16 PM EST
"Sounds great, Morgaine. Yeah, Angel was grasping at Deb's gesture of running Lila out of town for him pretty hard. It woud be wonderful to know what Camilla did with the file information. A good thought you have about that house and Brian/Rudy's estate...interesting! Did you see the ideas we've been talking about a journalist showing up in town. Could be great!"
That would be a good way to go. The journalist could be the one who finds the connection to the house. I just keep thinking that Brian would have put Dexter's name on it somehow, so that if anything went wrong, he'd still know who he was.
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Morgaine
Morgaine
26. RE: Where do you think they'll go?
Dec 18 2007, 9:18 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 18 2007, 9:18 PM EST
One more thing - no way that file was destroyed. Camilla has it stashed, and there's a letter with it that says to give it to Dexter if anything happens to her. If they don't write it that way, they're crazy! 1  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    

Threequidd
27. RE: Where do you think they'll go?
Dec 20 2007, 9:53 AM EST | Post edited: Dec 20 2007, 9:53 AM EST
I may be way off base here, but I really don't think so. Lets remembver what we are watching people. This is a cable show about a serial killer. Keith Carradine has never played a nice guy well and I seriously doubt that he is playing one here. Yes I suspect that we wil see more of him and I also suspect that he knows more about Dexter than he is letting on and I also suspect that he was involved with Harry and the whole sting operation that got Dexters mum killed. And I don't necessarily think that he was on the good guys side either! Double agent kinda deal. I also suspect that Deb knows more about Dexter than she even knows consciously. C'mon she grew up in the same house with Dex & Harry, she had to have heard something, seen something that she has blocked out or just let childish memory fade, but ever there in the recesses of the mind.....And why is Lundy such a Serial killer expert? Maybe for the some of the same reasons that Dexter is, except I think that Lundy may eventually be one of Dexters "best" criminals to kill to date. Yes I suspect that Lundy is a serial killer. he is harboring some major secrets. 2  out of 2 found this valuable. Do you?    
Alessandra_Katran
Alessandra_Katran
28. RE: Where do you think they'll go?
Dec 20 2007, 2:31 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 20 2007, 2:31 PM EST
The file ---- Camilla says in Season One to Dexter, "I destroyed it the day your adoption went through."

If you like the idea that it Still exists: Did she lie? Why? And: Did Doakes discover it before his death? Did he give it to somebody? Will this cause a problem for Dexter in the next season?

Personally, I think it's gone. Sure they could tell us that she lied, but I've not seen any hints to that effect. Yet.

Another Camilla question: Ever watch the scenes from season one between her & Dexter closely? She seems to look at him, and almost "know" what he is. That, "Are you keeping your fingernails clean?" line. And Dexter's answer: "Never leave home without my rubber gloves." Her response, "Good boy."

All of that seems to suggest she knows something. After all: Why do people wear rubber gloves? ... So they don't leave fingerprints... Why is that important for Dexter? ... He doesn't ever want somebody connecting him to his kills...

Maybe she knows that Harry taught him "the code"?

What are your thoughts on this? And: Should we know more about what Camilla "knows" (or suspects) in Season 3? What do You think she knows? Predictions? ... Anybody.
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Alessandra_Katran
Alessandra_Katran
29. RE: Where do you think they'll go?
Dec 20 2007, 2:40 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 20 2007, 2:40 PM EST
"I may be way off base here, but I really don't think so. Lets remembver what we are watching people. This is a cable show about a serial killer. Keith Carradine has never played a nice guy well and I seriously doubt that he is playing one here. Yes I suspect that we wil see more of him and I also suspect that he knows more about Dexter than he is letting on and I also suspect that he was involved with Harry and the whole sting operation that got Dexters mum killed. And I don't necessarily think that he was on the good guys side either! Double agent kinda deal. I also suspect that Deb knows more about Dexter than she even knows consciously. C'mon she grew up in the same house with Dex & Harry, she had to have heard something, seen something that she has blocked out or just let childish memory fade, but ever there in the recesses of the mind.....And why is Lundy such a Serial killer expert? Maybe for the some of the same reasons that Dexter is, except I think that Lundy may eventually be one of Dexters "best" criminals to kill to date. Yes I suspect that Lundy is a serial killer. he is harboring some major secrets."
I don't think that Lundy is a serial killer. Why? What he said to Debra. Paraphrasing here: "You've had a look at the heart of a killer." Something about that giving her insight into a serial killer's mind.

For me: That suggests Lundy's ability. Either his wife was murdered by a serial killer that was a family member Lundy was close to (what I thought at one time), Or: He was a friend of a serial killer, and almost killed.

I cannot think of any other plot. But you get where I'm going with all of that: He had close insight to a serial killer's mind. A family member, or friend. Hold the phone...

Just had an ephiphany:

Maybe even his wife? *wicked laugh* Now THAT would have been/ would be perfect! It would explain why he's so gun-shy about keeping a relationship to Deb, and his attraction for her: They went through the "same thing".

Besides: We need a female serial-killer on the show. At least one they can talk about. If only in reference.
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Alessandra_Katran
Alessandra_Katran
30. RE: Where do you think they'll go?
Dec 20 2007, 2:41 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 20 2007, 2:41 PM EST
"I may be way off base here, but I really don't think so. Lets remembver what we are watching people. This is a cable show about a serial killer. Keith Carradine has never played a nice guy well and I seriously doubt that he is playing one here. Yes I suspect that we wil see more of him and I also suspect that he knows more about Dexter than he is letting on and I also suspect that he was involved with Harry and the whole sting operation that got Dexters mum killed. And I don't necessarily think that he was on the good guys side either! Double agent kinda deal. I also suspect that Deb knows more about Dexter than she even knows consciously. C'mon she grew up in the same house with Dex & Harry, she had to have heard something, seen something that she has blocked out or just let childish memory fade, but ever there in the recesses of the mind.....And why is Lundy such a Serial killer expert? Maybe for the some of the same reasons that Dexter is, except I think that Lundy may eventually be one of Dexters "best" criminals to kill to date. Yes I suspect that Lundy is a serial killer. he is harboring some major secrets."
And last: Deb. Yes, I think she knows. Maybe not all the way, but her mind has been tuned --- during season 2 --- to spot serial killers. She will put it together.

That is what I think will happen in season 3: Deb will start to put it together, and Dexter will fight like hell to keep the knowledge from her. For "her own protection". As her 'big brother' he will feel that it is his duty to protect his little sis.
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Morgaine
Morgaine
31. RE: Where do you think they'll go?
Dec 20 2007, 9:07 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 20 2007, 9:07 PM EST
Lundy as serial killer doesn't work for me. They wrote him as a nice guy and I think that's what he is. Keith plays the romantic lead as well as bad guys.

Does Camilla know about Dexter? She knows something that hasn't been revealed yet, that's for sure. I wonder what her relationship with Harry really was.

I think she lied about the file. She could get into serious trouble it that file was ever needed and she couldn't produce it. The logical thing for her to do is hide it, and tell Dexter she destroyed it.

I think that part of Deb's attraction to Rudy was her feeling for Dexter. He felt familiar to her, but she didn't know why. He had to have the same emotional emptiness that Dexter has. That's why she didn't recognize him as abnormal. She's been living with a serial killer most of her life.

Realistically, she would block any doubts she has about Dexter from her conscious mind. She's too dependent on him. If the truth ever starts to surface, she could have a break down. He's the only one she can count on. That was a big deal for her when she said it. That attachment runs deep.
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Enderdejorand
32. RE: Where do you think they'll go?
Dec 25 2007, 12:33 AM EST | Post edited: Dec 25 2007, 12:33 AM EST
I kind of hate the idea of just bringing in a new serial killer; that kinda leads to the show in a rut of, "who's the serial killer this season?" a little too predictable, if u ask me.

I am not 100% against Lundy's character being fleshed out a little bit more. Im not going to say that he should be another serial killer (not EVERYONE in the world is one, u know), but maybe he would come back for Deb and find out about Dexter? But instead of turning him in or anything, he lets him keep working because he views it as a socially good "hobby"? Let's not forget about what Lundy said to Dexter the first time they get a real conversation going, "Well, there is one [reason to kill]... to protect an innocent life." And thats exactly what Dexter does! (granted, it's more so he won't get caught than for the societal benefit)

I LOVE the idea of Deb's finding out about Dexter. I think with the character she is developing into on the TV series, it doesn't really add up, but in the books, she finds out right at the end of the 1st one. I think that would allow for a bunch of new doors to open up plot-wise, which is something the show really needs.

Maria needs to be re-examined. Doakes' death has made her completely unpredictable, her character could go in almost any direction. If this reporter idea came up again, maybe Maria would be a little too cooperative? Also this situation could lead to Deb figuring out Dexter's little secret?

Finally, I'm not 100% convinced Harry killed himself. I think something sketchy happened with him and Cpt. Matthews... After all, matthews is the one who hid the file, and it would be just as beneficial to hide it if he was covering up the -murder- of Harry. (maybe trying to silence him about a dirty deal?) Something about the flashback w/ Matthews and Dexter's present-day conversation with him made me think something else might be up. Any Thoughts?
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ZizzyB23
ZizzyB23
33. RE: Where do you think they'll go?
Dec 25 2007, 1:26 AM EST | Post edited: Dec 25 2007, 1:26 AM EST
"Finally, I'm not 100% convinced Harry killed himself. I think something sketchy happened with him and Cpt. Matthews... After all, matthews is the one who hid the file, and it would be just as beneficial to hide it if he was covering up the -murder- of Harry. (maybe trying to silence him about a dirty deal?) Something about the flashback w/ Matthews and Dexter's present-day conversation with him made me think something else might be up. Any Thoughts?"
Well you did see Harry's reaction to seeing Dexter "at work". They'd have to explain that as a coincidence if they plan on making his death a homicide. Do we really want that?
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dexgal
dexgal
34. RE: Where do you think they'll go?
Dec 25 2007, 8:33 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 25 2007, 8:33 PM EST
"Well you did see Harry's reaction to seeing Dexter "at work". They'd have to explain that as a coincidence if they plan on making his death a homicide. Do we really want that?"
good point, but I am inerested in knowing a little bit more about just how WELL Capjt. Matthews really knew Harry and why he really sorta keeps an eye out for Deb, and by extension, Dex...
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sliceoflife
35. RE: Where do you think they'll go?
Dec 27 2007, 4:01 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 27 2007, 4:01 PM EST
i haven't read the books, but i do know that Maria gets killed by the ice truck killer at the end of the first book. what if, in season three, she begins to piece together that dexter was indeed the real bay harbor butcher? she'd get angry that he 'let james take the fall' and try frame him? but, then again, if he were to kill her, people might start to notice that people who stir up trouble for dex (james, maria) start to disappear. throw lundy into the mix (i doubt he will, but i like the idea of him coming back), the journalist, and deb finding out (and having to choose between defending her brother against maria or turning in the only one she can trust) and you've got a smashing season three.

i like the elusive camilla, but there has to be more to it. perhaps something in season three will make that file more valuable, and it would be a key figure in season four (i know, i'm getting way ahead of myself).

i don't think that angel will fall for deb, but i do think he'll be hanging around with the morgan's a lot. that means that's another person dexter will have to evade, on top of deb (who might move back in with him if there's no more lundy?) and rita and the kids (who still don't have an explanation as to how he knew to find them at lila's pad).

and, i really like that lundy's wife was a serial killer, and that maybe he tuned her in (which, if deb were to find out, would make it harder for her to defend dexter against maria). though, that, again, depends on whether or not lundy returns. also, i'm assuming that this would be the plot of the upcoming season lol.

lastly, i like that dexter would feel more comfortable and begin to take more risks, which could make some loose ends visible. perhaps his new code needs some editing...

i hope the writers re reading this thread; lot's of great stuff on here!
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83_SO_MIG
36. RE: Where do you think they'll go?
Dec 28 2007, 1:50 AM EST | Post edited: Dec 28 2007, 1:50 AM EST
they way i see it. laguarda will be dexter`s next opponent. She started to gather data thon doeks. she will eventualy pice together that doeks was investigating dexter. being a detective she will also start to investigate dexter, and share the info with lundy, she will whant to clear doeks name. I bet lundy will be in and out of season 3. i do belive lundy was not sure of doeks guilt.( sorry for my spelling english is my 2nd language)
I love the show cant waite for season 3 :o)
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dexgal
dexgal
37. RE: Where do you think they'll go?
Dec 28 2007, 3:40 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 28 2007, 3:40 PM EST
"they way i see it. laguarda will be dexter`s next opponent. She started to gather data thon doeks. she will eventualy pice together that doeks was investigating dexter. being a detective she will also start to investigate dexter, and share the info with lundy, she will whant to clear doeks name. I bet lundy will be in and out of season 3. i do belive lundy was not sure of doeks guilt.( sorry for my spelling english is my 2nd language)
I love the show cant waite for season 3 :o)"
I know, isn't it a great show!? I also think that LaGuerta will be a thorn in Dex's side next season, and I sincerly echo your thought that Lundy will be in and out of Season 3. I think that LaGuerta will keep in touch with Lundy about Doakes (I just want Lundy back for Deb, for some decent closure--for my sake!). Good call!
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Hrmmm
38. RE: Where do you think they'll go?
Jan 7 2008, 12:18 PM EST | Post edited: Jan 7 2008, 12:18 PM EST
The most plausible development I've read on this thread was the suggestion for a reporter to get involved. This is an obvious development that the writers will have to address whether or not they make it a main aspect of the plot. The other aspect is Dexter's 'evolution'. Season 3 will obviously be about his evolution as he states during the finale. He also believes that there's some 'divine' intervention that is 'wanting him' to continue with his work. The interventions of course being Lily's murder of Doakes as well as his escape from Lily's attempted murder of the two kids and him. It appears as if he has a God complex. I think it will be very difficult for the writers to develop his character in a logical way whilst keeping the audience connected with him. The secret of the writer's success is creating a murderous protagnist with whom the audience sympathises. Maintaining this balance whilst staying true to Dexter's character will be very difficult - show popularity vs. Dexter's character development. I'm not sure how much we'll like Dexter (the character) in Season 3. 2  out of 3 found this valuable. Do you?    

Hrmmm
39. RE: Where do you think they'll go?
Jan 7 2008, 12:41 PM EST | Post edited: Jan 7 2008, 12:41 PM EST
More thoughts.... The season 2 finale was a definitive stage for Dexter and the audience. He made a choice when faced with the truth about himself. He was going to the make the right one - turn himself in - but he didn't. Lily intervened, but he interprets Lily's intervention as divine intervention - it was hardly that. I'm actually disgusted with his outlook and choice to continue as a 'master'. The writers have lost my connection with Dexter. He's no longer the unconcious boy but a concious killer. His 'divine/Lily intervention logic' is the basis for him continuing to kill and continuing to put his loved ones at risk from others as well as from the emotional damage of being involved with them. If he continues on this route, no matter how bad the baddies are, it will not balance the affect of the lies and impact he has on those around him. Personally, i think a more profound way of developing the series may be for Season 3, for Dexter to have some shock back into reality (perhaps through the press) that he isn't God and that he hasn't been sanctioned to keep killing.... to go back to that realisation in the confessional with Doakes and try to stop, to have his normal life and not be a serial killer any more - perhaps plant evidence to ensure justice is seen instead -.... we could wait episodes until he falls off the wagon ... unfortunately, this could make for a whiny script with his emotional turmoil.... Regardless, I'm still very skeptical there's as much good writing ahead.... He's no longer the innocent boy naive about what he has been and now he's made an awful decision about the man he chooses to become. 2  out of 4 found this valuable. Do you?    

Hrmmm
40. RE: Where do you think they'll go?
Jan 7 2008, 1:05 PM EST | Post edited: Jan 7 2008, 1:05 PM EST
Or how about - Dexter goes for normal/human, past gets discovered but not exposed publicly, he's then entrapped by secret government agency (maybe Lundy) to do their bidding.... that's one way to keep the raison d'etre of the programme whilst being able to care about/connect with Dexter. The programme would also become a bit more real - secret ops people seem to have dual lives for the sake of the greater good and that sort of killing is sanctioned by the government whether or not it's known or not. The show would then have to get political, perhaps alienating some of its audience if set in current day issues. Perhaps in the mire of current day ethics, there's hope for Dexter. 1  out of 6 found this valuable. Do you?    
ZizzyB23
ZizzyB23
41. RE: Where do you think they'll go?
Jan 7 2008, 7:31 PM EST | Post edited: Jan 7 2008, 7:31 PM EST
Wow. You sure do have a lot to say!

I agree with some things you said. I too am also skeptical that Dexter, as a series, will have as good a writing as season one (season two wasn't as good for me as one was). However, I am going to live as if season three is going to be awesome, and I'm going to go into it with the highest of hopes.

I really don't see a problem with Dexter becoming "The Master". Its actually what I wanted. If Dexter turned himself in, the show would be over, and then I'd be unhappy. Showtime is giving people what they want: More Dexter! Dexter has made the mature decision to accept who he is and know that some things never change. There is a force inside that compels him to kill (in the novels, and once in the series called "The Dark Passenger"). He can't fight it, so he accepts it. He also is compelled to be with the ones who love him (Deb, Rita, the kids). He puts them in danger by being so close and also being a killer, but he's being more careful now. He's learned from his mistakes. And I imagine if he were ever to get into trouble again, he'd probably put his loved ones ahead of his need to kill. He's growing more human, and it's apparent.

As for Dexter being employed by the government, I would hate the show if they did that. It would be completely unrealistic, and make the show something it shouldn't be. Dexter is a serial killer, not a trained special ops agent like Doakes was. If Dexter was employed by the government to kill some high profile target, Dexter would be murdered in a second by some security guard with an automatic rifle.
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jwnelson11
jwnelson11
42. RE: Where do you think they'll go?
Jan 7 2008, 10:55 PM EST | Post edited: Jan 7 2008, 10:55 PM EST
"Wow. You sure do have a lot to say!

I agree with some things you said. I too am also skeptical that Dexter, as a series, will have as good a writing as season one (season two wasn't as good for me as one was). However, I am going to live as if season three is going to be awesome, and I'm going to go into it with the highest of hopes.

I really don't see a problem with Dexter becoming "The Master". Its actually what I wanted. If Dexter turned himself in, the show would be over, and then I'd be unhappy. Showtime is giving people what they want: More Dexter! Dexter has made the mature decision to accept who he is and know that some things never change. There is a force inside that compels him to kill (in the novels, and once in the series called "The Dark Passenger"). He can't fight it, so he accepts it. He also is compelled to be with the ones who love him (Deb, Rita, the kids). He puts them in danger by being so close and also being a killer, but he's being more careful now. He's learned from his mistakes. And I imagine if he were ever to get into trouble again, he'd probably put his loved ones ahead of his need to kill. He's growing more human, and it's apparent.

As for Dexter being employed by the government, I would hate the show if they did that. It would be completely unrealistic, and make the show something it shouldn't be. Dexter is a serial killer, not a trained special ops agent like Doakes was. If Dexter was employed by the government to kill some high profile target, Dexter would be murdered in a second by some security guard with an automatic rifle."
You know they came out with the 'Dark Avengerr', character about 1/3 way through the beginning of the season. Then it was sort of dropped.
I can see Dexer becoming a Dark Defender of Miami. A Spiderman, Green Hornet or such super hero. With his skills he can go out and defend Miami from evil. By stopping the bad guys from thier crime. But I understand this is a very sterile version, or vision I have presented. He would have to sublimate his killing urges for that of being a hero, and saving the bad things from happening to the people of Miami.
If we follow the story line presented in season 2 then Dexter can continue his AA, or group meetings, and convert the rage of killing to that of saving. But then the story may be lost.
I guess I can see it going that way but being just another super hero. Then it would last about 3 episodes.
The more ithink about it, I dislike it. So Never mind.....

Now wait a minute. Yes the Dark Avenger, I can see it happening after all. But the local law enforcement would have to turn a blind eye to what he does. Allow the Dark Avenger to do what he does best. Kill the bad the worst of Society. Even if the Dark Avenger was not condoned by law enforcement. Would the bad guys clean up thier act knowing the Dark Avenger would be out there looking for them? Would they all become like, clean living, good, honest, God fearing people that do not even cheat on thier taxes?
I think that would be an OK story line for Season 3.
How would Miami's bad guys react to someone that is out there to get them. Will they clean up or leave Miami.?
Lundy can come back and not look very hard for this Dark Avenger. He would now have all of the free time he needs to spoon Debra.
( Bottom line is I am clueless about how season 3 will turn out. I am getting more serious about thinking about it though)
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jwnelson11
jwnelson11
43. RE: Where do you think they'll go?
Jan 7 2008, 10:58 PM EST | Post edited: Jan 7 2008, 10:58 PM EST
"I predict that Lundy will realize that the suspected BHB was NOT the right one; I predict that we've not seen that last of Rita's mom, and that she may have to be killed by Dexter if he perceives she is a threat to either him or Rita's children; I think Deb will make detective and that both Angel and Masuka get steady girlfriends!"
Are you predicting that Masuka will become Angels steady ?
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jwnelson11
jwnelson11
44. RE: Where do you think they'll go?
Jan 7 2008, 11:01 PM EST | Post edited: Jan 7 2008, 11:01 PM EST
"I think we will see a journalist who comes looking for the Bay Harbor Butcher's story to make a book/movie and finds out that Dexter caught the Butcher's interest and that before Debra did the Ice Truck Killer's. So this journalist decides to forget about Butcher and focus on the:

The Morgan's... Their mother lost due to cancer and their father due to Heart disease now the siblings have naught but each other to hold onto. Both enter the law enforcement profession to honor their father, one as a forensics expert the other a beat cop, two sides of the same coin of justice. All the while, they are assailed at every turn by Serial Killers wanting to bring them down and tear them apart.

Makes for a better pitch doesn't it?

Of course, this journalist has to dig into the past of the entire Morgan family. This endangers not only Dexter and his past but there are certain things that he would like to shield Debra from Harry's past like the affair or his suicide.

Tension with a different plotline and maybe we could find out more about Harry or Debra's mother. Like, did she know about the affair? Was she perhaps suspicious about Dexter's true parentage? It would make her a lot more interesting then the big nothing we have now."
I really like this idea. Alot.
You are really good.
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