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jwnelson11 |
45. RE: Where do you think they'll go?
Jan 7 2008, 11:05 PM EST
"Good idea, Inato, idea of a muckraker sounds good; I think it should be someone male...good way to get a lot of backstory"You would like it to be a male, Let me guess, maybe Lundy has a cousin or brother that looks a lot like Lundy? He(KC) can come back as the Brother or cousin and write the story after an appropriate aount of research with I dont know maybe Deb ? This character would have no reason to leave. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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jwnelson11 |
46. RE: Where do you think they'll go?
Jan 7 2008, 11:08 PM EST
"Good idea, Inato, idea of a muckraker sounds good; I think it should be someone male...good way to get a lot of backstory"Oh yeah, I think it sould be a female!! Like Jessica Simpson?? or Maybe someone that can act? or Maybe Hanksfuturewife1? 1 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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47. RE: Where do you think they'll go?
Jan 7 2008, 11:14 PM EST
"I may be way off base here, but I really don't think so. Lets remembver what we are watching people. This is a cable show about a serial killer. Keith Carradine has never played a nice guy well and I seriously doubt that he is playing one here. Yes I suspect that we wil see more of him and I also suspect that he knows more about Dexter than he is letting on and I also suspect that he was involved with Harry and the whole sting operation that got Dexters mum killed. And I don't necessarily think that he was on the good guys side either! Double agent kinda deal. I also suspect that Deb knows more about Dexter than she even knows consciously. C'mon she grew up in the same house with Dex & Harry, she had to have heard something, seen something that she has blocked out or just let childish memory fade, but ever there in the recesses of the mind.....And why is Lundy such a Serial killer expert? Maybe for the some of the same reasons that Dexter is, except I think that Lundy may eventually be one of Dexters "best" criminals to kill to date. Yes I suspect that Lundy is a serial killer. he is harboring some major secrets."I isagree about KC. He does play a nice guy and he can play it well. I have seen him play the bad guy and he does not do that very believable. Remember he has that history of being a great detective. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
dexgal |
48. RE: Where do you think they'll go?
Jan 8 2008, 7:52 AM EST
"I isagree about KC. He does play a nice guy and he can play it well. I have seen him play the bad guy and he does not do that very believable.I agree that he plays a nice guy very well, but a nice guy with layers...I still think that the character Lundy has a big secret, and hope we get the chance to find out what it is in Season 3 (and beyond...!). Love your comment about the Green Hornet; hey , maybe that's Lundy's secret, he was the Green Hornet and killed Kato...hmm Do you find this valuable? |
ARayne |
49. RE: Where do you think they'll go?
Jan 8 2008, 10:26 AM EST
"I agree that he plays a nice guy very well, but a nice guy with layers...I still think that the character Lundy has a big secret, and hope we get the chance to find out what it is in Season 3 (and beyond...!). Love your comment about the Green Hornet; hey , maybe that's Lundy's secret, he was the Green Hornet and killed Kato...hmm"Yup, I am still under the covers, damn flu.... Okay so I've had enough time to read up on this thread, very interesting, I like the predictions here, keep 'em coming! Lundy, ah sweet, sweet Lundy, he's an average guy, tall, lean masculine, sense of humor with a dash of insecurity that shows up when he with a female. The man is a workaholic, especially since he's had no apparent reason to go home anymore, he enjoys life inside the box.... Then we have Deb.... she comes along and he finds himself OUTSIDE the box. He is a good guy, he's terrified of what might be (hence their conversation at the restaurant, where he reveals his insecurity to Deb, that she might leave him... this was also something the writers left unspoken..... as in, what was Deb's real response to this?) KC does play a very nice good guy, I love him silly in Fast Track the series, where he plays a doctor.. Shame that series died after 1 season... someone should get it... for me..... My predictions? I've just read book 2.... Interesting, no i'm not done with it yet and I know the book and the series have taken seperate paths... BUT... I do see Dex getting engaged to Rita. Hopefully it doesn't happen with Lundy's pinkie ring! Oh wait... He doesn't have one YAY! Why is Lundy a serial killer expert? Why is the sky blue? Dexter has a good twist on being an expert, yes, but Lundy is a good guy, I can't say the same for Dexter. I cannot believe that a man capable of taking another human beings life, no matter how bad the person has been is able to be justified as " a good guy". Therfore I think that the balancing to Dexter is Lundy, he's the yin in his yang, both have a lot of knowledge of the same subject, yet both approach it in different ways (notice in ep 2, Dexter thinks there are 2 bodies of his victims and Lundy repeats it out loud leaving Dex a little stumped for words) Do you find this valuable? |
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Hrmmm |
50. RE: Where do you think they'll go?
Jan 8 2008, 10:36 AM EST
"I really don't see a problem with Dexter becoming "The Master". ... And I imagine if he were ever to get into trouble again, he'd probably put his loved ones ahead of his need to kill. He's growing more human, and it's apparent.Yeah I agree, Dexter going black ops would suck. Was just a lame attempt on my part to see a way out for him that isn't the route he's taking. From a showtime bottom line perspective, yeah keep it going. From a human perspective, I'd rather he not keep killing as he does if he's continuing to deepen his human relationships with Deb, Rita, kids, etc. It's interesting that you think he'll not put the kids & Deb in danger on a case by case basis. I don't think it's a case by case scenario. They are in danger so long as he continues to betray their trust and love in him - the side of him that he is not. People put themselves at risk to protect those they care about and that's not something he can control although he thinks he can. I agree it will be interesting with him becoming 'the Master' but it will have an interesting affect on this viewer at least. The writing genius of the series was the complex achievement of an audience member having compassion for Dexter (even though he's a serial killer). The concious 'master' he becomes now whislt deepening relationships with Rita, etc (godlike as he refers to himself) means he's lost that connection with me. This is where the writing challenge is and where I don't think the impact of the series will be as successful as it had been. As an audience member, my emotional connection has definitely shifted to Deb, Rita & the kids, even Doakes' memory and no matter how brilliant the writing... that feeling of caring for them will never be as brilliantly twisted as getting me to care about a serial killer. Hence my skeptisim.... Do you find this valuable? |
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ARayne |
51. RE: Where do you think they'll go?
Jan 8 2008, 10:44 AM EST
This is why I believe Lundy will return as I have over 1000 times and will continue to do so until "we" are heard. He will return with his suspicions.Going back to the book, Deb asks Dexter how she can be in love with someone after knowing him like that only a week..... In the series, I'm trying to patch up a timeline on our site "www.keithcarradine.wetpaint.com" to see HOW long they actually were together, because in the finale she was blurting out the "I love.....something something you", so how far is the book from the series? Not too far, the ideas are basically from the book. JW the dark defender was a good storyline, shame it too got dropped, there has been too many good stories dropped in season 2 and I have no idea why the writers didn't pursue this although I am hopeful that it does continue in season 3 and that way letting Lundy back in since Miami has been his turf as the FBI agent leading the BHB case..... even though DD Adams thought that Lundy dropped the ball.... Shame also that there are only 12 episodes to this show pr. season. I would have loved season 2 to be a 24 ep season! I think Dex will start training Astor and not Cody. Cody is way too young and besides, even though there are not many serial killers that are women, it would be interesting to see how a girl would end up going down that road. 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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52. RE: Where do you think they'll go?
Jan 8 2008, 11:31 AM EST
"This is why I believe Lundy will return as I have over 1000 times and will continue to do so until "we" are heard. He will return with his suspicions.I appreciate the suggestion of balance for Dex's Dark Passenger (as suggested above that Lundy might provide.) However, success in my eyes would be that Dexter remains the lead character that the audience is focused on and continues to care about. Changing any fundamental of the series (purposefully shifting focus away from Dexter - to share the limelight with Lundy) would appear to be a sign of writing failure to me. What I want to see the writers achieve is to continue to make me care about/connect with the serial killer. They lost me in the series 2 finale. Lundy would not solve the issue for me as caring for him isn't as brilliantly twisted as conciously caring for a killer. And that dark twisted connection is the one thing the writers can't abandon. Whilst I agree, the writers could've squeezed out the plot development over a greater number of seasons, including more dark defender episodes.... I disagree that Dex will begin corrupting the innocence of any child, let alone Rita's. This seems a tad absurd to me as he clearly understands what he does is a sick compulsion that isn't right. Neither Astor or Cody demonstrate or have any cause to be like this that would need channeling and neither would he want others to be like him. He knows it's sick. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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ARayne |
53. RE: Where do you think they'll go?
Jan 9 2008, 5:10 AM EST
I think Dexter will start guiding the kids instead of corrupting them. They both lacked a father figure and both see Dexter as their father figure of sorts. In the 2nd book, Dexter acknowldges to himself that he has a son, Cody. I must admit I was very surprised after reading the 2nd book, it was completely different at the end than I suspected.... Although again, I prefer the series with the exception of one detail..... since the book is released this is not a spoiler.... Doakes doesn't die in the book, and it was quite sad to see Doakes get killed off, I at first didn't like his character, but now after watching both seasons thoroughly, he was a good edition to the show. But the same thing happens in the book that also happened in the show, the ending was rushed, very quickly over and done with.... it's a good read though, quite funny.The ball was dropped with the Angel storyline, that ended way too fast the whole Angel/Lila thing, IMO, but I am hoping that Angel gets to where he is going or wants to go next season, his character keeps getting the short end of the stick so far. Bottom line, I just want Lundy back. There, I said it again. Do you find this valuable? |
urbanbaboon |
54. RE: Where do you think they'll go?
Jan 9 2008, 12:17 PM EST
Starts: “An Empty Box”-Dexter pauses to try to find the perfect first victim. He even finds and throws a few back, because they are not worthy (Dumps the evidence on Deb/Angel to help their careers.). THEME: A more precise discussion of who is bad enough to be killed (Doakes was not bad enough, Jeremy Downs got a pass, Dr. Meridian suggests suicide to others and gets the knife). He spends more time questioning the victims reasoning before making the decision. Over arching question is “If I were presented by another killer who acted just precisely as I do, would he deserve to die?” (a bloody golden rule) or “Do I deserve to die?” The Enemy is himself. PT OF CONCERN: The original slide box returns to Dexter as he is charged by the unknown Bureau (the same group that cleared Doakes of the killing of the Haitian Man in Season 1) with the task of cataloging all the victims so that the government can determine if there is any “international significance." Dexter is chosen because he was the original forensic investigator. DEB/LUNDY: Lundy’s gone and Deb’s father worship transfers to Lundy Worship and she spies getting on with the FBI. She sublimates her sexual relationships for a steady diet of Work and Grad School. DEX/RITA: I see Rita probing more into who Dexter is as a person. No research or investigations. It would be fun to see Dexter handle the typical girlfriend’s inquiries like What are you thinking right now? NEWCHARACTERS [1]A New Sergeant is named (not from the bullpen) but considering the recent performance of the group they choose some one older with a solid reputation, who may have had previous experience with Harry Morgan. [2] Someone new from Dexter’s past. I think an interesting person would be a long term ex-girlfriend (for instance his girlfriend in college) She was the driven student with no time for men and they dated a couple of years so it would look right to the outside world (maybe she was a closeted lesbian) 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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ARayne |
55. RE: Where do you think they'll go?
Jan 9 2008, 1:47 PM EST
I'm hoping Rita stops being this boring housewife... Sure she has a fetish of dressing into costumes to feel more woman like (the gabriella of Xena warrior princess costume was a riot), but she has been so dull and I know it suits Dexter just fine, because now we have seen him be with a wildcat, it's good he has this suburban girlfriend, but does she have to be so dull and weak??I still want Lundy to be the one who knew Harry, I just feel he is well suited being the one that protects the Morgans... with personal interest of course. Do you find this valuable? |
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ARayne |
56. RE: Where do you think they'll go?
Jan 12 2008, 11:02 AM EST
I also want Deb to consider the whole BHB thing again.... She did not react in any way when she learned that Doakes was suspected. She vowed to protect her brother yes, but that's about it. She stood and drank coffee with Doakes, worked cases with Doakes, had dinner with his family, went on stakeouts together... They even hugged when Angel was hospitalized.... Deb has never lacked empathy nor has she ever hidden her emotions, and we know she's become stronger, but this is strange behaviour even for Deb... Her response to when they found Doake's.... body I think we will call it, she said, "I think we found our man" and that was ALL of her reaction. Does anyone remember if the tools that were found with Doakes' fingerprints... were they ever traced back to being used on any of the BHB victims? 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
ZizzyB23 |
57. RE: Where do you think they'll go?
Jan 12 2008, 12:52 PM EST
I don't think they were traced back. But then again, I don't think they were NOT traced back. I mean, I don't think any attempt to trace them back was ever made at all anyway. They must assume Doakes kept them pretty clean and sterile (much like Dexter actually did).Good point about Deb by the way. Never looked at it like that. 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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ARayne |
58. RE: Where do you think they'll go?
Jan 12 2008, 5:18 PM EST
"I don't think they were traced back. But then again, I don't think they were NOT traced back. I mean, I don't think any attempt to trace them back was ever made at all anyway. They must assume Doakes kept them pretty clean and sterile (much like Dexter actually did).All I'm saying here is.... What proof was there exactly to pin the whole BHB deal on Doakes other than the blood slides? And we're talking before his death.... Coz after his death, there was another body found at the cabin.... But BEFORE the explosion.... what proof? I must have missed something... Do you find this valuable? |
SMITTY92 |
59. RE: Where do you think they'll go?
Jan 12 2008, 6:08 PM EST
I am not sure where Dexter will go. I do believe lundy will be back, and it will get interesting. Dexter got himslef in the clear with Doakes taking the fall, so he has got to stay one step ahead and not let his victims remains be discovered.
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ARayne |
60. RE: Where do you think they'll go?
Jan 12 2008, 8:18 PM EST
"I am not sure where Dexter will go. I do believe lundy will be back, and it will get interesting. Dexter got himslef in the clear with Doakes taking the fall, so he has got to stay one step ahead and not let his victims remains be discovered."I agree. Dexter will have to stay a step ahead and I wonder where his new dumping ground will be, that will be interesting to see next season. Yes Lundy will return! He has to! Do you find this valuable? |
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dexgal |
61. RE: Where do you think they'll go?
Jan 13 2008, 12:28 AM EST
"All I'm saying here is.... What proof was there exactly to pin the whole BHB deal on Doakes other than the blood slides? And we're talking before his death.... Coz after his death, there was another body found at the cabin.... But BEFORE the explosion.... what proof? I must have missed something..."I don't think you missed anything. But I think that his history of 'shoot first, ask questions later', his recent behavior (like attacking Dexter for apparently no reason, etc.), the blood slides, his fingerprints on the tools, his non-compliance with Lundy's investigation, were all taken into consideration...that's why LaGuerta and Lundy need to keep looking...and, yeah, Dexer will ahve to work really hard to stay one step ahead this time. I think this season he will have Deb to contend with. I liked your post about her attitude toward Doakes...do you think that means that she suspects Dex and is protecting him? 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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ARayne |
62. RE: Where do you think they'll go?
Jan 13 2008, 6:31 AM EST
"I don't think you missed anything. But I think that his history of 'shoot first, ask questions later', his recent behavior (like attacking Dexter for apparently no reason, etc.), the blood slides, his fingerprints on the tools, his non-compliance with Lundy's investigation, were all taken into consideration...that's why LaGuerta and Lundy need to keep looking...and, yeah, Dexer will ahve to work really hard to stay one step ahead this time. I think this season he will have Deb to contend with. I liked your post about her attitude toward Doakes...do you think that means that she suspects Dex and is protecting him?"The finale was not to my liking, I've never hid that from anyone. I thought there were more holes in the finale than there is any cheese on the planet! Deb's been more in focus this season which has been great and thinking back to season 1 where I wished Rudy would have killed her, I am glad she survived and did season 2 and the relationship with her and Lundy happened.. Having said that, I just couldn't figure her out in the finale. 1. Her behaviour towards finding out Doakes was the killer, there was absolutely no reaction whatsoever and I don't like that. She's never been a cold person, but she now turns into this neglectful person. Doakes was almost like her mentor in season 1. In the finale she's all "He's a killer, let's move on". She was too quick to fall for others judgement of Doakes, she never had an idea of him on her own. She knew Doakes disliked Dexter, but the worst Doakes ever did besides beat Dexter that one time... He always called him names. 2. Besides the evidence of bloodslides there was not much else. Yes, he beat up a lab guy, he had 2 shootings in a row, he worked on 4 of the 9 cases that went through the precinct of the BHB victims/felons.... Oh wait, so did Dexter.... But Dexter, even though drilled by Lundy in episode 8 uses the excuse that he was overworked and gets off the hook, I still believe Lundy will return to that fact once more. Dexter did work those cases as well so other than him, who else knew about those particular felons? A month as past now since the finale of Dexter and I am still disappointed. The writers made Lundy stupid at the end. They have to FIX THAT! If and when Deb learns the truth I don't think she will be easily forgiving. She will realise that Doakes was innocent. I hope someone discovers that it was Lila that was behind the death of Doakes. Even though Lila is dead I think her presence will be felt in the beginning next season. Rudy's was in s2. Do you find this valuable? |
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63. RE: Where do you think they'll go?
Jan 13 2008, 8:32 AM EST
" his non-compliance with Lundy's investigation,Doakes did comply. He wanted to join the task force, but Lundy didn't find him fit enough to join, which was fair enough, Lundy's playpen, Lundy's rules. In some way, it was like Doake's fate was sealed from the beginning of the season. He wasn't a part of the "team" anymore. I actually found him working quite well with Deb in season 1 after he got past his usual tough man hostility and even though I wasn't his biggest fan I did like Doakes, he did bring some humor to the show and that will be missed. He was a good character, but with him hunting Dexter and so on, his fate was sealed. I do believe the issue with Doakes will be picked up next season, as said in my previous post Rudy remained in the first few episodes hanging over Dexter and Deb, meaning issues from the previous season needed closure. Rudy affected both Deb and Dex, but I'm not sure how much it would affect them this time around. No, this time it will affect others, LaGuerta mainly and Lundy also. I know it's called the Dexter show, but it's not all about Dex, it's also about the people around him and especially his sister, who seems to be his rock, who he also cares for and yet also fears unknowing what will happen the day she finds out the truth. I'm also beginning to lean towards Deb finding out the truth about Doakes not being the real BHB. I think LaGuerta will get her involved and that somehow will get Lundy back in the game too. Pillowtalk or something! Do you find this valuable? |
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64. RE: Where do you think they'll go?
Jan 13 2008, 12:31 PM EST
I almost forgot Dexter started dumping remains in the gulf stream. I wonder if the dark defender will take some time off before he starts up again. I know doakes is dead but i have this weird feeling that we will see him again somehow. Anybody got any ideas?
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