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LilaT
LilaT
40. RE: I will miss Lila and even Doakes
Mar 11 2008, 3:44 PM EDT | Post edited: Mar 11 2008, 3:44 PM EDT
"You make both a valid point and an invalid point. Dexter is a killer and is not seen as evil but it has nothing to do with the fact that he is male. His killing is deemed acceptable by the viewers because it is supposed to. He is the focal point and has a set of morals. He is the "Hero" of the show. He punishes the "wicked" and we know about him and his child hood and his life and it is all set up for us to not only accept Dexter but to embrace him. Though they are twisted, he still has some.

Lila is a different story. She is not seen as evil because she is female. She is deemed "Bad" because of what she does and how she does it. Dexter wouldn't have put the lives of the children in danger just for revenge. He wouldn't have framed a good and innocent man just to get back at someone. Lila did all this and more. Though they both do "bad" things, Dexter's are, in the end, the lesser of 2 evils.

Most people, if given a choice, would rather a known murderer be killed than choosing to burn 2 innocent children. See the point. She was vindictive and spiteful. Dexter was not. He did kill but what he did. who he killed and the manner in which his victims were chosen and executed would be the more socially acceptable of the 2 killers.

So, climb down from your soap box. Not everything is sexist. Sometimes women play the villain. Season 1 was a man, season 2 was a woman. Where I come from, we call the equality. Besides, it is sexist to think that women shouldn't be the bad guy. They are capable of the same atrocities that men are. I am glad she was the villain and I am glad Dexter offed her. Personally, I wish he had been able to do it up in the way he enjoys. She got off light. :)

-Boom"
well mr boom- quite the little speech. i don't recall being on a "soap box", although I wouldn't mind if you fell off yours. You wasted my time reading your post b/c, I already know all that. The reason I said is it cause she is female has nothing to do with sexism- did I say I was even a feminist? my point is that history depicts women as either all good or all evil, just like the black hair they gave her as opposed to the blonde of good Rita. You are in denial if u don't think men have a lower view of women, ask men truthfully and they are not ready for Hilary Clinton as president. you wanna deny your own truth go ahead. as a law student, the whole "he is more moral because he kills badguys" as far as the legal system- he is a multiple murderer- and vigilante justice is still illegal, yes? plus Lila never actually killed anyone- they escaped. the ex-boyfriend might have been an accident, any proof? so that means Lila killed only Doakes, whom Dex was going to get rid of, so Lila spared him his having to break his little code. your last line about wishing he killed Lila the way he enjoys it- hmmmm you are a tad kinky. better keep it in check .lol As for me, I make no claims of hiding behind a need to believe Dex is a hero- I like him, the show and could care less about his code. As for her spitefulness- can u blame a girl for trying to keep her "soul mate" lol :)
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LilaT
LilaT
41. RE: I will miss Lila and even Doakes
Mar 11 2008, 3:50 PM EDT | Post edited: Mar 11 2008, 3:50 PM EDT
I like your style but......
for a person with screen name jezabelle ( very cool) and a cenobite pic (Hellraiser, rox) I find your comment perplexing. you may be a tortured person, wanting the dark side so badly but those pesky morals of yours blocking the way. You know u wanna "open the box-the Lament configuration".
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LilaT
LilaT
42. RE: I will miss Lila and even Doakes
Mar 11 2008, 3:54 PM EDT | Post edited: Mar 11 2008, 3:54 PM EDT
"You have no idea how long I have been saying that, actually I have been a Lila supporter since she was first showed on Dexter and I am still hoping to this day that the whole Finale was just one big dream sequance...hey I can dream can't I? anyways I have been such a big Lila supporter that on many posts I got flamed, insulted, and kicked from the main SHOtime forums for Dexter...all because I supported Lila...people just insulted me left and right and they started to call me all sorts of meanfull names...so I insulted back of course, I don't sit back and take those things, and what happens? they ban me from the forums not the people who started it initially, but me...it seems as if nobody likes Lila even though I have made many justifications for this, but don't think your the only one who loves Lila, because there are a great deal of people who loved her character much more than Rita, and I am one of them, but of course on this Wiki most people seemed t be obsessed with the whole Deb + Lundy relationship, so I haven't got insulted or dissed for likeing Lila yet, which is nice, but anyways it was most obvious that Lila and Dexter are ment to be together, and truth is they should be, so many reasons but yet I have typed them so many times before and people just insulted me and that really hurts too see somebody like me who enjoys a character so much, then too see another person say soo much bad things about her for the worst reasons, and its actually quite simple to see why they hate her now, people who dislike Lila are the people with dull boring lifes filled with no adventure, and do everything in life like they are told, in other words they are sheep, but unlike them I am the Sheperd, the Sheperd of all their Souls."
I forgot to include quote from TehPWNisher- there is an entry above menat for you- in response to your post. Re; ppl being rude to you and your defense of Lila.
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marksgforce
marksgforce
43. RE: I will miss Lila and even Doakes
Mar 13 2008, 1:13 AM EDT | Post edited: Mar 13 2008, 1:13 AM EDT
"as a law student, the whole "he is more moral because he kills badguys" as far as the legal system- he is a multiple murderer- and vigilante justice is still illegal, yes? plus Lila never actually killed anyone- they escaped. the ex-boyfriend might have been an accident, any proof? so that means Lila killed only Doakes, whom Dex was going to get rid of, so Lila spared him his having to break his little code. "
Just a small technical disagreement with a law student. In formal logic, what I've quoted here is a clear case of tu quo que -- Latin for "you are another." In other words, two separate issues. You can accuse Dexter of being a murderer -- or the person who accepts his and not Lila's crimes as a hypocrite -- but you can't excuse Lila on the basis of Dexter being bad (or even worse), too. That's "another" issue ... Legal dramas ignore tu quo que ... most judges don't! ALL in fun ... LOL!
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nelak2247@yahoo.com
44. RE: I will miss Lila and even Doakes
Mar 17 2008, 2:54 PM EDT | Post edited: Mar 17 2008, 2:54 PM EDT
i hated lila since the moment she started in the show. after the first episode she appered in i wanted dexter to kill her. she is an agravation and disrupes his life to much. plus she is starting to help him feel his feelings. i like dexter as the emotionlist man that he started out to be. 2  out of 5 found this valuable. Do you?    

nelak2247@yahoo.com
45. RE: I will miss Lila and even DoakesYO
Mar 17 2008, 2:56 PM EDT | Post edited: Mar 17 2008, 2:56 PM EDT
thats what i thought. i thought she was going to use the his tools and try to do what he does even though she had know idea how he sets the whole thing up. 1  out of 4 found this valuable. Do you?    

nelak2247@yahoo.com
46. RE: I will miss Lila and even Doakes
Mar 17 2008, 3:00 PM EDT | Post edited: Mar 17 2008, 3:00 PM EDT
i dont think he could kill rita. half the things he has been trying to do is to protect her and the kids. along with his sister. even though he feels no feelings i think he is unknowingly falling for her. in the finale of season 2 he said that they were his weekness and he dident care.( not exactly how he put it but u get my drift.) 1  out of 2 found this valuable. Do you?    

nelak2247@yahoo.com
47. RE: I will miss Lila and even Doakes
Mar 17 2008, 3:05 PM EDT | Post edited: Mar 17 2008, 3:05 PM EDT
exactly and like he said himself he wont be able to keep it up forever but at least now they think it was dokes. im not sad about eather of them dieing. dokes compleatly asked for it. dexter told him to back off and he dident. and lila was to big of a complication plus i think him rita and the kids would make a great family besides the night life thing. cant beleve she thinks hes on drugs. was so funny. 2  out of 3 found this valuable. Do you?    
MSFIRE
MSFIRE
48. RE: I will miss Lila and even Doakes
Mar 17 2008, 8:33 PM EDT | Post edited: Mar 17 2008, 8:33 PM EDT
I wont miss lila but I will definately miss doakes. I wish that he would some how come back. I would like to know if they ever proved if that was his body or not that was found, because thats how bad I love doakes and want him back. He is soooo handsome. 2  out of 3 found this valuable. Do you?    

kat100
49. RE: I will miss Lila and even Doakes
Apr 8 2008, 4:41 AM EDT | Post edited: Apr 8 2008, 4:41 AM EDT
I think I will miss Doakes more than Lila. Lila was never going to come to a good end - she was too much like Dexter to be any good for him. The whole point of "boring" Rita is to provide a contrast and a grounding in everyday normal people contact for Dexter. She's the one he's willing to sacrifice for (aside from Deb) - and her kids are the only people Dexter shows and genuine-seeming pleasure in.

Doakes on the other hand was one of the few people around him who was an obvious threat to Dexter and you never knew when he was going to find something concrete - even something little. His biggest fault was his willingness to rush into things and show his open hostility.

Dexter is paitent, thorough and cool - and lucky! as we saw in the last few episodes....as he said "if he believed in a higher power".....something wants him to keep doing this. I still think he would have had a hard time killing Doakes. He doesn't fit Harry's code and he is a cop regardless. That was the real crux of Dexters problem. He needed Doakes dead but couldn't do it himself and still keep any real shread of his Code. If he did he'd be just like Lilia, which of course is why he had to kill HER in the end.

Its good how this series has evolving characters. I'll be really interested to see what they'll do next seaason.
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dustbunny
50. RE: I will miss Lila and even Doakes
Apr 8 2008, 10:21 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 8 2008, 10:21 PM EDT
"I was such a fan of Dexter- but was very upset about Lila. I guess I am like the only person who actually loved the character Lila- she was his soul mate . People are quick to judge her, forgetting that they admire a serial killer (oh that's right he is a "good" serial killer"-lol) please- I like the show, but if it is cool with everyone for Dex to kill-why such the hatred of Lila? Is it because she is not making excuses for her true nature? I guess it is cool to be a killer only if you are a dude? He was going to do Doakes himself ,so that was a lame excuse to kill her. That was a great Gothic love story and I think a huge mistake to kill off that character. Rita is boring. "
Bah! I am back... I must be spineless, but I liked reading the posts about Lila and Doakes.

The bottom-line to good story telling is interesting, believable characters in intriguing situations. Also the primary adversary to the protagonist has to be solid. Doakes was beyond solid. Killing him off removed all obstacles from Dexter. Now they have to start all over, unless Batista starts to have questions about Dexter. Doakes was dangerous (which is exciting) and he literally *felt* Dexter's guilt but couldn't get any solid clues to back up his hunches. (That is an intriguing situation). Killing him off, especially in such a contrived way (oh no, dexter can't - let's get Lila to be the scapegoat!) was nothing short of pedestrian. All of the sideline action and subplots (office politics, office romance, etc.) are secondary to the fact that Dexter has a need to kill and the body count is rising. That FBI guy (please forgive me that I forgot the name of Deb's new BF/boss) of course will probably piece together clues as Deb starts to be forced into the realization that the only surviving member of her family killed her step-brother and her co-worker (and a few other people). This is all "interesting" but it lacks the visceral "in your face" creep factor that Doakes stalking Dexter brought us. The show needs more suspense and less "Rita" (no offense to the actress who plays Rita). Who cares about how "safe and comfy" his relationship is. Dramatic tension moves a story, not killing off the most interesting characters.

As to Lila (again): She was a complete psycho. THAT moves the story. All she wanted was a little Dexter of her own. I think they wrote her well in the first half of the season and deliberately wrote her worse and worse in the second half. She should have been more of a slow burn, perhaps a two or three-season tension versus a disposable villain.
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dustbunny
51. RE: I will miss Lila and even Doakes
Apr 8 2008, 10:25 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 8 2008, 10:25 PM EDT
So the question begs: who is next on the list of disposable characters? Will that FBI guy (again I apologize that I have forgotten his name) get too close to pinpointing Dexter and he will have to go? Will they write him out completely now that Doakes is gone? Perhaps Batista needs to be axed next so that Rita and Dexter can continue to play house. or maybe Deb will be Dexter's next season victim.

I am sorry but I am really upset (still). I think they could have done a LOT better on the second season and I hope to god that they do better in the 3rd season. I will have to rely on hearsay (what other people think about season 3) before i watch a single episode. But at least I won't have to see any commercials in the mean time. That's about as much of a protest as I can stage.
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BlMagic
52. RE: I will miss Lila and even Doakes
May 3 2008, 7:44 PM EDT | Post edited: May 3 2008, 7:44 PM EDT
"Does anyone think he could kill off Rita if she was a source of trouble- like finding out about him etc...? "
he wouldn't kill someone just to keep himself from getting caught, he went through that whole dilemma in the last episode of season 2. He decided against killing Doakes because he didn't deserve it- so he was just framing him so he wouldn't be found out.
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killmedex
53. RE: I will miss Lila and even Doakes
Jun 26 2008, 8:45 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 26 2008, 8:45 PM EDT
Yes i will miss Lila also. And Doakes. Doakes kept Dexter on his toes, as did Lila. I think that would keep the show more interesting. Keeps you tuning in for the next episode. In fact i couldnt wait for the next episode. Still cant and they are both gone..lol...maybe the writers will slip in a few more interesting people like them. 1  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    
elliemae71
elliemae71
54. RE: I will miss Lila and even Doakes
Jun 28 2008, 10:57 AM EDT | Post edited: Jun 28 2008, 10:57 AM EDT
"A couple thoughts on Lila ...

1. whoever the actress is behind the character is fabulous;
2. the Lila character was just over the top wonderful -- and charmingly evil;
3. I, too, will miss her ... most of all for that wonderful purring way she said "Dexxxxttter ..."
4. I've pitched the idea in two other threads that I'm not convinced she is dead ... I suspect a "dream" based on Dexter's desire to clean things up ... why?
a. different lighting ... half the show is shot in the dark, but this had a film-noir quality that was a different production dynamic;
b. the obvious reasons -- how did he find her so quick? how did he leave the country and return without his absence getting discussed and queried by Deb and others?
c. Dexter is coming back in season 3 and what better foil and danger element than that of someone who knows his secret ... and who is literally "a woman scorned" ... wow, that could be scorching -- no pun intended.
5. I personally adore Rita, too ... I see nothing mutually exclusive in loving both of them ... good girl / bad girl internal dilemma and dialog !!!
6. I wouldn't get too upset over the prevailing emotions toward her ..."
I think the biggest reason that Dex would have to go and kill Lila at the time was that she knew his secret. That she killed and tried to kill inocents was his reasoning. What if on season 3 things start popping up like letter in the mail, piece of paper or some object of meaning on his work table when he comes back from break that reminds him of Lila, like she's not really dead or her Ghost is haunting him. Is it her or someone else who knows the secret?
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elliemae71
elliemae71
55. RE: I will miss Lila and even Doakes
Jun 28 2008, 12:19 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 28 2008, 12:19 PM EDT
"well mr boom- quite the little speech. i don't recall being on a "soap box", although I wouldn't mind if you fell off yours. You wasted my time reading your post b/c, I already know all that. The reason I said is it cause she is female has nothing to do with sexism- did I say I was even a feminist? my point is that history depicts women as either all good or all evil, just like the black hair they gave her as opposed to the blonde of good Rita. You are in denial if u don't think men have a lower view of women, ask men truthfully and they are not ready for Hilary Clinton as president. you wanna deny your own truth go ahead. as a law student, the whole "he is more moral because he kills badguys" as far as the legal system- he is a multiple murderer- and vigilante justice is still illegal, yes? plus Lila never actually killed anyone- they escaped. the ex-boyfriend might have been an accident, any proof? so that means Lila killed only Doakes, whom Dex was going to get rid of, so Lila spared him his having to break his little code. your last line about wishing he killed Lila the way he enjoys it- hmmmm you are a tad kinky. better keep it in check .lol As for me, I make no claims of hiding behind a need to believe Dex is a hero- I like him, the show and could care less about his code. As for her spitefulness- can u blame a girl for trying to keep her "soul mate" lol :) "
flame me up if you must, just want to make a couple of observations. I don't think Dex was going to kill Doakes. He was just going to let him get caught with the evidence of the last kill, and for the FBI and other to find him locked in a cage would mess that up. Had he beat Lila there (he did'nt know that at the time he was trying to beat the law there) I think he would have knocked him out and made sure they found him with the evidence before he woke up or something like that. That's just my thought.

The other thing I want to say is to call for freadom of speach is to let others have it also and not knock them for speaking it or ask them not to speak thier mind.

How I take it anyway. Now let me have it. But I won't flame back.
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elliemae71
elliemae71
56. RE: I will miss Lila and even Doakes
Jun 28 2008, 12:28 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 28 2008, 12:28 PM EDT
"I wont miss lila but I will definately miss doakes. I wish that he would some how come back. I would like to know if they ever proved if that was his body or not that was found, because thats how bad I love doakes and want him back. He is soooo handsome."
I think that LaGuerta won't let it go that easy and would have made sure it was Doakes. I will miss him I think he was great as an atagonist to Dexter. but they showed Doakes family, LaGuerta and Dexter at the funeral of Doakes in a church, so asuminly they must have proved it was his body.
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kagomefreak
kagomefreak
57. RE: I will miss Lila and even Doakes
Jul 21 2008, 4:41 PM EDT | Post edited: Jul 21 2008, 4:41 PM EDT
Okay, well I'll probably get food thrown at me for saying this, but I honestly do not like Lila and Doakes. Doakes pissed me off with his curiosity and his stalking. And I was one of those people who was cheering when Dexter hit him on the head and then walked away, and in the end got Doakes suspended. (BOOYA! =] ) And Lila....ughh...She may understand Dexter but she's not who he needs and thankfully she died so that won't be an issue anymore. As you can probably tell from my icon, I'm a Rita/Dexter fan ALL the way. I just love to watch how they're relationship developed through out the series. And for those who think she's boring, get a clue. So she's not a psyco, and not a slut. Get over it. She's a good person who had some bad history of her own. She can't help but be a little causious this time around. I hope she and the kids stay in Dexter's life for a very long time. Do you find this valuable?    

frozenbarbie620
58. RE: I will miss Lila and even Doakes
Aug 15 2008, 5:50 PM EDT | Post edited: Aug 15 2008, 5:50 PM EDT
I am glad Lila died too. You can sit and say that she and Dexter are the same because they are both serial killers but they aren't. Dexter has standards. Lila tryed to kill kids which is something Dexter would never do. I am not the biggest fan of Rita but i'm glad Dexter ended up with her rather then that slut Lila. 1  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    

luckyfield
59. I will miss Lila and even Doakes
Aug 17 2008, 2:13 AM EDT | Post edited: Aug 17 2008, 2:13 AM EDT
I will miss Lila and even Doakes, but I know lila appreciate a good deal.

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