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JayC16	20. RE: More Thoughts on "The Damage a Man Can Do" Nov 19 2008, 10:10 AM EST Here is a thought What if Miguel really wants to kill 'bad' people, but he is not a real killer ... only a talker? After he killed the guy this week, Dexter asked him how he felt. He gave a response which to me didn't seem to fit his reaction. His expression was more like "Holy crap, I actually did it." As someone pointed out, there appeared to be a tear under Miguel's eye. I don't think that it was perspiration because he did not look to be sweating. Bu there was definitely moisture under his right eye. Could it be possible that he was only putting on this killer persona to Dexter so Dex would confide in him, and eventually Miguel would try to use Dexter to kill Ellen so that she does not tell Sylvia about the affair? MIguel does seem to be impulsive, easily upset when challenged, arrogant with a temper, etc.. But that does not necessarily make him a killer. Those characteristics are common in a lot of people who are not all killers. So maybe this is simply the case of an affair that has taken on a life of its own, and now Miguel is looking to walk away from it clean. But Ellen may not be willing to let him go. Maybe that is why she is 'digging things up on him', according to Miguel. Dexter will end up killing Miguel after Miguel kills Ellen and Dexter realizes that Miguel was just using him (so he realizes that Miguel is not really a freind), and that Miguel did an unacceptable killing. (Dexter said that he cannot kill a friend, so when he realizes that Miguel never was a true friend, this will free him up to kill him.) Post reply 3 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
Hanksfuture1stwife	21. RE: More Thoughts on "The Damage a Man Can Do" Nov 19 2008, 11:11 AM EST " Where was Masuka this episode? I'm not the biggest Masuka fan, but that man is on the payroll. Make him work for his money! And I said it before and I'll say again. Where's the ghost of Doakes!? Erik King teased to it at the Emmys, and I expect him to live up to his word. " I love Masuka! He is such a wonderful geek! He gets so turned on by what he does, and he's so innocent himself that he's oblivious to any possibility that Dexter, his co-worker, could have character flaws, and/or be committing nasty deeds. I also really look forward to the reappearance of Doakes. This would create an intense internal struggle in Dexter. Doakes wanting him to turn himself in. Harry who wants Dexter to avoid getting caught at all cost. Great stuff. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Hanksfuture1stwife	22. RE: More Thoughts on "The Damage a Man Can Do" Nov 19 2008, 11:14 AM EST I don't think Miguel and Ellen have anything going. Ellen strikes me as a straight up woman - and she would not get involved with someone she obviously thinks so little of. If she was sleeping with Miguel she would not be trying to bring him down. Post reply 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
CKrelax	23. RE: More Thoughts on "The Damage a Man Can Do" Nov 19 2008, 11:23 AM EST Bowl us over, I meant bowl us over....above Post reply 0 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
CKrelax	24. RE: More Thoughts on "The Damage a Man Can Do" Nov 19 2008, 11:27 AM EST "Here is a thought What if Miguel really wants to kill 'bad' people, but he is not a real killer ... only a talker? After he killed the guy this week, Dexter asked him how he felt. He gave a response which to me didn't seem to fit his reaction. His expression was more like "Holy crap, I actually did it." As someone pointed out, there appeared to be a tear under Miguel's eye. I don't think that it was perspiration because he did not look to be sweating. Bu there was definitely moisture under his right eye. Could it be possible that he was only putting on this killer persona to Dexter so Dex would confide in him, and eventually Miguel would try to use Dexter to kill Ellen so that she does not tell Sylvia about the affair? MIguel does seem to be impulsive, easily upset when challenged, arrogant with a temper, etc.. But that does not necessarily make him a killer. Those characteristics are common in a lot of people who are not all killers. So maybe this is simply the case of an affair that has taken on a life of its own, and now Miguel is looking to walk away from it clean. But Ellen may not be willing to let him go. Maybe that is why she is 'digging things up on him', according to Miguel. Dexter will end up killing Miguel after Miguel kills Ellen and Dexter realizes that Miguel was just using him (so he realizes that Miguel is not really a freind), and that Miguel did an unacceptable killing. (Dexter said that he cannot kill a friend, so when he realizes that Miguel never was a true friend, this will free him up to kill him.)" Or the tear might have been from joy; Miiguel having fulfilled a long time desire of his? Post reply 0 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
Tiger-10-8_1	25. RE: More Thoughts on "The Damage a Man Can Do" Nov 19 2008, 3:20 PM EST First I want to nknow if anybody but me noticed to astounding error on this epi. but me. I'm not going to tell you, I'm going to let you think of it. Whoo's gonna be the 1st. one? Post it,and BTW I have proof. Couldn't believe it when I heard it. About Miguel and Dexter. If Miguel kills the defence attorney and tries to blame it on Dex, sure Dex who's not the best pathological liar will have to do him in, or manuever it somehow. Doakes will never be dead as long as la Guerta is alive. I wish someone would shoot her in the foot to get her off the show. As for Harry, He might have noticed Dexter's proclivties when he was young but in a way he's like Miguel, all the the killers he could never catch, he trained Dex how to find, kill and increase the odds of him never getting caught. Don't you know how many cops eat their gins, cause whatever they do, or however many they catch, there is NO justice? If Dexter was a better psychopath, he'd be one of the smoothest liars on the planet e.g. Ted Bundy,John Wayne Gacy,Jeffrey Dahmer and the list goes on. One psychopath(out dated terminology it's anti-social personality now) can fool 99 out 100 shrinks but it really doesn' take them too much time to recognize another. male or female. I just love Dexter, don't get me wrong, it's a great show and I would't miss it.I watch it with clinical detachment.. As for the skinner, who thinks Matsuka feels unappreciated? I do. I think Miguel might try to kill Dex, he gets off on it and might want to be the best. Isn't that why he's claiming these kills are so important? Nothing more horrific than an egomaniac with a knife. Hitler didn't need a knife and neither did Stalin. Well I've been told that I've run out of space. So,Tiger says bye for now. Post reply 5 out of 6 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
Tiger-10-8_1	26. RE: More Thoughts on "The Damage a Man Can Do" Nov 19 2008, 3:26 PM EST The cops drink their gins, before the eat the typo-guns. Isn't a really stpid typo a real hoot. Gotta love. Post reply 3 out of 4 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
dexlvr3	27. RE: More Thoughts on "The Damage a Man Can Do" Nov 19 2008, 3:51 PM EST "First I want to nknow if anybody but me noticed to astounding error on this epi. but me. I'm not going to tell you, I'm going to let you think of it. Whoo's gonna be the 1st. one? Post it,and BTW I have proof. Couldn't believe it when I heard it. About Miguel and Dexter. If Miguel kills the defence attorney and tries to blame it on Dex, sure Dex who's not the best pathological liar will have to do him in, or manuever it somehow. Doakes will never be dead as long as la Guerta is alive. I wish someone would shoot her in the foot to get her off the show. As for Harry, He might have noticed Dexter's proclivties when he was young but in a way he's like Miguel, all the the killers he could never catch, he trained Dex how to find, kill and increase the odds of him never getting caught. Don't you know how many cops eat their gins, cause whatever they do, or however many they catch, there is NO justice? If Dexter was a better psychopath, he'd be one of the smoothest liars on the planet e.g. Ted Bundy,John Wayne Gacy,Jeffrey Dahmer and the list goes on. One psychopath(out dated terminology it's anti-social personality now) can fool 99 out 100 shrinks but it really doesn' take them too much time to recognize another. male or female. I just love Dexter, don't get me wrong, it's a great show and I would't miss it.I watch it with clinical detachment.. As for the skinner, who thinks Matsuka feels unappreciated? I do. I think Miguel might try to kill Dex, he gets off on it and might want to be the best. Isn't that why he's claiming these kills are so important? Nothing more horrific than an egomaniac with a knife. Hitler didn't need a knife and neither did Stalin. Well I've been told that I've run out of space. So,Tiger says bye for now. " Do we get a hint at all? What is it in regards to, at least? Is it about Jimmy Smits accidentally almost stabbing the guy, because we have heard that already. It seems funny to me that Doakes was the only one who picked up on Dexter's strange vibe. I think he noticed it because it was something that he also had. He was a killer for the government. Regardless of who or what you are killing for, it still makes you a killer none the less. I agree with what you said about Harry. Cops see the same thing day after day, the harsh realities of mans inhumanity towards man. Sometimes I think that they end up behaving like the people that they despise the most. They have a criminal mind to coin a phrase. I think that is why we all love Dexter so much. He is taking out the garbage so to speak. Even though killing bad people makes him no better than the bad people that he is killing, we get a kind of strange satisfaction out of seeing them destroyed. I think Dexter is a psychopath/sociopath. Hi is anti-social in some ways and pretending to be social in others to fit in. And, yes, that type of personality does lie exceptionally well. I think that they can even fool polygraph tests. Masuka is pretty much a genius and yes I feel that he feels he is under appreciated. Is he the skinner, though? He might be, who knows. Someone is following Deb and he's always had the hots for her. We've seen egomaniacs with knives in the past and I seem to remember them getting pronounced innocent at their trial! Good post Tiger! Post reply 4 out of 4 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
shocki_donutguy	28. RE: More Thoughts on "The Damage a Man Can Do" Nov 19 2008, 4:25 PM EST i think you're reffering to the knife with which miguel kills fleeter. when dex and miguel are shopping, dex is about to buy an knife with a black handle (according to the photo on the box). afterwards when dex turns the table with fleeter on it to miguel, you can see that the knife lying on it has a metallic handle. yeah, well. an error. but who cares? Post reply 4 out of 4 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
Tiger-10-8_1	29. RE: More Thoughts on "The Damage a Man Can Do" Nov 19 2008, 5:02 PM EST Observant, always a very good thing. If you watch the Mentalist carefully bet you'd be good. Post reply 2 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
spya	30. RE: More Thoughts on "The Damage a Man Can Do" Nov 19 2008, 5:39 PM EST "Do we get a hint at all? What is it in regards to, at least? Is it about Jimmy Smits accidentally almost stabbing the guy, because we have heard that already. It seems funny to me that Doakes was the only one who picked up on Dexter's strange vibe. I think he noticed it because it was something that he also had. He was a killer for the government. Regardless of who or what you are killing for, it still makes you a killer none the less. I agree with what you said about Harry. Cops see the same thing day after day, the harsh realities of mans inhumanity towards man. Sometimes I think that they end up behaving like the people that they despise the most. They have a criminal mind to coin a phrase. I think that is why we all love Dexter so much. He is taking out the garbage so to speak. Even though killing bad people makes him no better than the bad people that he is killing, we get a kind of strange satisfaction out of seeing them destroyed. I think Dexter is a psychopath/sociopath. Hi is anti-social in some ways and pretending to be social in others to fit in. And, yes, that type of personality does lie exceptionally well. I think that they can even fool polygraph tests. Masuka is pretty much a genius and yes I feel that he feels he is under appreciated. Is he the skinner, though? He might be, who knows. Someone is following Deb and he's always had the hots for her. We've seen egomaniacs with knives in the past and I seem to remember them getting pronounced innocent at their trial! Good post Tiger!" I don't think Matsuka is the skinner. Yep. He has the hots for Deb, and if reach and imagine just hard enough, I would bet that if anything, he would be place in a role that would end up saving her skin (so to speak). I don't really think that's the case either, but it would be nice to see him get to be a hero for a change. Post reply 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
CKrelax	31. RE: More Thoughts on "The Damage a Man Can Do" Nov 20 2008, 8:01 PM EST "First I want to nknow if anybody but me noticed to astounding error on this epi. but me. I'm not going to tell you, I'm going to let you think of it. Whoo's gonna be the 1st. one? Post it,and BTW I have proof. Couldn't believe it when I heard it. About Miguel and Dexter. If Miguel kills the defence attorney and tries to blame it on Dex, sure Dex who's not the best pathological liar will have to do him in, or manuever it somehow. Doakes will never be dead as long as la Guerta is alive. I wish someone would shoot her in the foot to get her off the show. As for Harry, He might have noticed Dexter's proclivties when he was young but in a way he's like Miguel, all the the killers he could never catch, he trained Dex how to find, kill and increase the odds of him never getting caught. Don't you know how many cops eat their gins, cause whatever they do, or however many they catch, there is NO justice? If Dexter was a better psychopath, he'd be one of the smoothest liars on the planet e.g. Ted Bundy,John Wayne Gacy,Jeffrey Dahmer and the list goes on. One psychopath(out dated terminology it's anti-social personality now) can fool 99 out 100 shrinks but it really doesn' take them too much time to recognize another. male or female. I just love Dexter, don't get me wrong, it's a great show and I would't miss it.I watch it with clinical detachment.. As for the skinner, who thinks Matsuka feels unappreciated? I do. I think Miguel might try to kill Dex, he gets off on it and might want to be the best. Isn't that why he's claiming these kills are so important? Nothing more horrific than an egomaniac with a knife. Hitler didn't need a knife and neither did Stalin. Well I've been told that I've run out of space. So,Tiger says bye for now. " WAS it the rope? Same rope different color? And, what was the rope for? Or was it the gensu knives? I just had rock lobster and four glasses of wine.IF I am right it will be fxxking amazing! Post reply 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
JayC16	32. RE: More Thoughts on "The Damage a Man Can Do" Nov 20 2008, 9:09 PM EST "Or the tear might have been from joy; Miiguel having fulfilled a long time desire of his?" I don't think it was. He did not look like he was 'fantastic', as he put it. Usually there is at least a smile when someone thinks something is 'fantastic'. I did not notice a smile. It just didn't seem to fit. Post reply 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
JayC16	33. RE: More Thoughts on "The Damage a Man Can Do" Nov 20 2008, 9:16 PM EST "I don't think Miguel and Ellen have anything going. Ellen strikes me as a straight up woman - and she would not get involved with someone she obviously thinks so little of. If she was sleeping with Miguel she would not be trying to bring him down." She is straight up, but anyone can fall under the right temptation. She is fulfilled professionally, but not romantically. And, assuming they were having an affair, as far as trying so hard to bring him down, there is a saying that goes: "Hell hath no furry like a woman scorned." Post reply 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
JayC16	34. RE: More Thoughts on "The Damage a Man Can Do" Nov 20 2008, 9:35 PM EST "-- that dexter was the bay harbor butcher might come up between him and miguel. they alluded to that theme when dexter was asked how many times he had done this before. but i am certain if it does, miguel will be proud of dexter. he probably knows half the victims and thought they just disappeared. and i imagine miguel knows better than to blackmail dexter. -- i think the "monster" was her hormones making her crazy, not a reference to "a darkness within her" or dexter's progeny." If it came down to it, Miguel would not blackmail Dexter. He would prosecute him to further his career and his chances of DA. The 'monster' Rita was talking about is her alter ego Rata. She's killed and she will kill again. Never stopping until her thirst for blood has been quenched. (just kidding) Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
JayC16	35. RE: More Thoughts on "The Damage a Man Can Do" Nov 20 2008, 9:45 PM EST "First I want to nknow if anybody but me noticed to astounding error on this epi. but me. I'm not going to tell you, I'm going to let you think of it. Whoo's gonna be the 1st. one? Post it,and BTW I have proof. Couldn't believe it when I heard it. About Miguel and Dexter. If Miguel kills the defence attorney and tries to blame it on Dex, sure Dex who's not the best pathological liar will have to do him in, or manuever it somehow. Doakes will never be dead as long as la Guerta is alive. I wish someone would shoot her in the foot to get her off the show. As for Harry, He might have noticed Dexter's proclivties when he was young but in a way he's like Miguel, all the the killers he could never catch, he trained Dex how to find, kill and increase the odds of him never getting caught. Don't you know how many cops eat their gins, cause whatever they do, or however many they catch, there is NO justice? If Dexter was a better psychopath, he'd be one of the smoothest liars on the planet e.g. Ted Bundy,John Wayne Gacy,Jeffrey Dahmer and the list goes on. One psychopath(out dated terminology it's anti-social personality now) can fool 99 out 100 shrinks but it really doesn' take them too much time to recognize another. male or female. I just love Dexter, don't get me wrong, it's a great show and I would't miss it.I watch it with clinical detachment.. As for the skinner, who thinks Matsuka feels unappreciated? I do. I think Miguel might try to kill Dex, he gets off on it and might want to be the best. Isn't that why he's claiming these kills are so important? Nothing more horrific than an egomaniac with a knife. Hitler didn't need a knife and neither did Stalin. Well I've been told that I've run out of space. So,Tiger says bye for now. " was it a wardrobe issue when they were going to check out the kill room? Post reply Do you find this valuable?
CKrelax	36. RE: More Thoughts on "The Damage a Man Can Do" Nov 21 2008, 9:09 AM EST Why isn't Dexter on Friday or Sat. nights? Were the ratings low on the show? Okay, okay. I like the starter wife, psyche and monk, but, would pass on any of those to watch Dexter. Magyver, I mean Burn Notice, doesn't interest me, nor does House. I like Law and Order but no conflict there schedule wise. Anyone know why Dexter is not a Fri or Sat show? And, to build viewers, some daytime reruns would be good. Food for thought... Post reply 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
Hanksfuture1stwife	37. RE: More Thoughts on "The Damage a Man Can Do" Nov 21 2008, 10:23 AM EST "Why isn't Dexter on Friday or Sat. nights? Were the ratings low on the show? Okay, okay. I like the starter wife, psyche and monk, but, would pass on any of those to watch Dexter. Magyver, I mean Burn Notice, doesn't interest me, nor does House. I like Law and Order but no conflict there schedule wise. Anyone know why Dexter is not a Fri or Sat show? And, to build viewers, some daytime reruns would be good. Food for thought... " This is just a guess as to why Dexter is not on Friday and Saturday - but perhaps its because people let their kids stay up late Fri and Sat to watch TV. Sunday night everyone has to be in bed early for school on Mon.... Dexter is definitely a show I wouldn't let my children watch! Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
CKrelax	38. RE: More Thoughts on "The Damage a Man Can Do" Nov 21 2008, 5:09 PM EST "This is just a guess as to why Dexter is not on Friday and Saturday - but perhaps its because people let their kids stay up late Fri and Sat to watch TV. Sunday night everyone has to be in bed early for school on Mon.... Dexter is definitely a show I wouldn't let my children watch!" Excellant, may well be! Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
dexlvr3	39. RE: More Thoughts on "The Damage a Man Can Do" Nov 22 2008, 2:07 PM EST "I don't think it was. He did not look like he was 'fantastic', as he put it. Usually there is at least a smile when someone thinks something is 'fantastic'. I did not notice a smile. It just didn't seem to fit." It didn't look like he felt that great about it. I'll watch it again tonight to see the expression on his face. I did notice the tear. It wasn't right away. The look on his face from what I can remember is that he was a little horrified and trying to hide it. It didn't look to me like he had killed before (at least not in that way) that's when I got more suspicious and thought more that he was setting Dexter up. I still think that he knows more about Dexter than what he has just found recently. Someone said that Jimmy Smits signed on for 10 episodes. That means he will go not the one coming up, but the one after that. (Unless they bring him back as a ghost, too!) Post reply Do you find this valuable?

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