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102. RE: Curious,
Dec 2 2008, 4:16 PM EST
"Yes, of course Dexter has the urge to kill outside the Code of Harry. Every day. So many people. The Dark Passenger has a blood lust that does not discriminate between innocent and guilty, deserving and undeserving. Especially when the moon is full. Dexter is in a sense two people--the happy-go-lucky, smart, funny blood technician with a 9-to-5 job, a fiancée, and am apparently normal life--and--the Dark Passenger, a monster who thrives on death and the ritualistic torture and killing of humans. The Code of Harry keeps the Dark Passenger in check. But the urge is always there, and the Dark Passenger never wholly absent. If Dex would stop feeding the Dark Passenger with victims of his own brand of vigilante justice, his inner monster would probably escape his control. This is why Dex does not think he is human--he enjoys killing people. It's not only his hobby, its his avocation. So yes, death walks as his daily companion, and not much is required to move someone from the "innocent, do not touch" column to the "they deserve it" column. In a sense, Dex is happy that Miguel deserves a visit from the Dark Passenger. "Miguel is an iceman. A sick you know what killer. Dexter is like batman. He NEEDS to be out there killing those whom need killing. He is plasticwrapman, a blue collar, short sleeved, avenger/protector. Right? 1 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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103. RE: Curious,
Dec 7 2008, 10:53 PM EST
"Miguel is an iceman. A sick you know what killer. Dexter is like batman. He NEEDS to be out there killing those whom need killing. He is plasticwrapman, a blue collar, short sleeved, avenger/protector. Right?"After tonights episode Miguel is gone! Now for E12 nest week! Love it! 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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104. RE: Curious,
Dec 8 2008, 9:02 PM EST
"Miguel is an iceman. A sick you know what killer. Dexter is like batman. He NEEDS to be out there killing those whom need killing. He is plasticwrapman, a blue collar, short sleeved, avenger/protector. Right?"Let's hope! The greater good and all that.... :-) 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Dr.Toejam |
133. RE: Curious,
Jun 12 2009, 4:24 PM EDT
"No I do not I think he is so well trained, and part of the training was control. This is also part of the Matial Arts. If I am not mistaking, did n't he say something to this effect to Doakes when they were talking? That he is able to control his emotions. Doakes was trying to piss him off and make him mad so he would loose control. I think I dreamed that . But I do know this is a part of Martial Arts."But Dexter also said he had no emotions. I think he's not too sure of himself. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Dr.Toejam |
134. RE: Curious,
Jun 12 2009, 4:25 PM EDT
"well put.Don't forget, he also "saved" Rita and the kids from Paul. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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135. RE: Curious,
Jun 12 2009, 7:02 PM EDT
"But Dexter also said he had no emotions. I think he's not too sure of himself."I am not sure if he is not so sure of himself rather than confused about how he is supposed to feel. Or maybe how he feels he should feel. he does not have the emotions that a well rounded non sociopathic person has. He is numb to the normal emotions that are to be there as a normal person. You may be right, I am not sure there is a correct answer to this one. 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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jwnelson11 |
136. RE: Curious,
Jun 12 2009, 7:06 PM EDT
"Don't forget, he also "saved" Rita and the kids from Paul."Yes he did. But stepped into a big ole pile of stuff doing so. Of course Miguels Brother the Accident. Even though he may have been a good deed, by accident. He was uncovering info about Miguels Brother at one point, This is anothe one of Season 3's problems. he was finding out about Oscar and it was looking like Oscar may have been a bad guy. Then all of a sudden it stopped. no more info about Oscar. We knew Oscar was buying drugs from Freebo, But was he doing it for himself or for a reason other that to get high?? It was dropped just like the Suki story.... 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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clairebbbear |
137. RE: Curious,
Jun 13 2009, 11:08 AM EDT
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"I am not sure if he is not so sure of himself rather than confused about how he is supposed to feel. Or maybe how he feels he should feel. he does not have the emotions that a well rounded non sociopathic person has. He is numb to the normal emotions that are to be there as a normal person.The way I see it, Dexter was emotionally frozen as a three-year-old - the age he was when his mother died - for most of his adult life. It was only after he discovered what happened to her, and the reason why he is what he is, in season 1, that he could start to grow from that point. While he has developed from that point, it was still only two years ago, so now he is still only five. And like a five-year-old, he's come to understand that there are more people in his world than just him, that these people are important to him and that he needs them, but he doesn't really know why, or have much of a conception for or connection with many people beyond that very restricted world of his. We've gradually seen Dexter come to develop what look like genuine emotions for other people. But they are still rather basic emotions, and only for a few people. It's still basically mostly about him and his needs. 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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clairebbbear |
138. RE: Curious,
Jun 13 2009, 1:23 PM EDT
"Of course Miguels Brother the Accident. Even though he may have been a good deed, by accident. He was uncovering info about Miguels Brother at one point, This is anothe one of Season 3's problems. he was finding out about Oscar and it was looking like Oscar may have been a bad guy. Then all of a sudden it stopped. no more info about Oscar. We knew Oscar was buying drugs from Freebo, But was he doing it for himself or for a reason other that to get high?? It was dropped just like the Suki story...."Yeah, that bothered me too that we didn't find out exactly what happened there, but I think there were enough clues. That, as you said, he was buying drugs from Freebo (or maybe selling for him?) and was having some kind of dispute that led him to bring the knife there. I'm guessing the reason we didn't find out about some great Freebo-Prados-King conspiracy is that because there wasn't one. It was just Oscar being a junkie, stupid enough to be armed with a knife and in the wrong place at the wrong time. 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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jwnelson11 |
139. RE: Curious,
Jun 13 2009, 5:10 PM EDT
"The way I see it, Dexter was emotionally frozen as a three-year-old - the age he was when his mother died - for most of his adult life. It was only after he discovered what happened to her, and the reason why he is what he is, in season 1, that he could start to grow from that point.This is where the Definition comes in is he a Sociopath or a Psycopath? (Copy and Pasted from and Online Dictionary) Sociopath-Someone whose social behavior is extremely abnormal. Sociopaths are interested only in their personal needs and desires, without concern for the effects of their behavior on others. Psychopath-A person with an antisocial personality disorder, manifested in aggressive, perverted, criminal, or amoral behavior without empathy or remorse. A mentally unbalanced person who is inclined toward antisocial and criminal behavior. I see both, and if he is progressing / or growing emotioinally then he is still in this definition but becoming more one or the other. Mind you this is a figmant of someones emagination, and as so they can write it how they want it to end. As so, in real life it will not be this way. It tends to much more cut and dry. Dexter would truely fall more into one category or another. In real life I am not so sure this would ever happen. 1 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Dr.Toejam |
140. RE: Curious,
Jun 14 2009, 3:32 PM EDT
"This is where the Definition comes in is he a Sociopath or a Psycopath?Correct me if I'm wrong, but your saying that a serial killer in real life would never be a sociopath and a psychopath? May I remind you some of the worlds most horrific killers we're indeed both. And this happens more often than you may think (Andrei Chikatilo, John Wayne Gacy, Jeffrey Dahmer). 1 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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jwnelson11 |
141. RE: Curious,
Jun 14 2009, 5:16 PM EDT
"Correct me if I'm wrong, but your saying that a serial killer in real life would never be a sociopath and a psychopath?No That is not at alll what I said. 0 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Dr.Toejam |
142. RE: Curious,
Jun 14 2009, 6:02 PM EDT
"No That is not at alll what I said."Then what were you inferring? 2 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
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jwnelson11 |
143. RE: Curious,
Jun 14 2009, 8:42 PM EDT
"Then what were you inferring?"First off I was not responding to your post But be that as it may be: I was clarifying the definitions of what we are talking about . Now How You ever got that I was saying that one can not be the other is far beyond me I have read and reread all of th eposts and you have drawn something from someplace that I did not say or even refer to. I can not follow your posts and your conclusions from what has been said. If I said anything it was that at one point in time one was considered to be the sothere and that the terms were such that If you were a Psycopath then you were considered a sociopath. Now how ever it is considered to be interchangable. If you are one then you can be the other. I am going by what has been said inthe past on other threads, By learned people. If I can remember correctly this is what was said. Yeah you can be both and like I said or tried to say they were or are considered the same. I believe this why the name or term has been changed. Because it was confusing. Now we have beat this to death, Can we go on from here. I am not a psych expert. This is why I was drawn to Dexter and movies like Mr Brooks. This area fascinates me as I have no experience in it and I hope I never will. Can we please move on?? 1 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Dr.Toejam |
144. RE: Curious,
Jun 14 2009, 8:44 PM EDT
"This is where the Definition comes in is he a Sociopath or a Psycopath?You said "Mind you this is a figmant of someones emagination, and as so they can write it how they want it to end. As so, in real life it will not be this way. It tends to much more cut and dry. Dexter would truely fall more into one category or another. In real life I am not so sure this would ever happen." 2 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
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jwnelson11 |
145. RE: Curious,
Jun 14 2009, 11:57 PM EDT
"You said "Mind you this is a figmant of someones emagination, and as so they can write it how they want it to end. As so, in real life it will not be this way. It tends to much more cut and dry. Dexter would truely fall more into one category or another. In real life I am not so sure this would ever happen.""We beat this to death. I do not understand your point. I still say in real life the character would fall into one category or another ie: Sociopath or Psychopath. So the writers can take the character and morph them into anything they want They have the ability or poetic license to make them seem some what Psychopathic as well as having Sociopathic tendencies as well. If you argue this point I will not respond. cuz we all know the writer can give the character any personality trait they want to. Again this is beaten to death. You are arguing just to argue. 1 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Dr.Toejam |
146. RE: Curious,
Jun 15 2009, 12:05 AM EDT
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"We beat this to death. I do not understand your point.Well it seems to me you like to just talk in circles, and your not really answering my question. so I guess I do agree that this discussion is over 2 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
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jwnelson11 |
147. RE: Harry Is Changing the code
Oct 19 2009, 11:38 PM EDT
Does any one else see Harry differently this season? Is he changing the code or pushing Dexter to do things Dex does not want to do??
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