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Location: The Code of Harry
Discussion: Curious,
 Dr.Toejam |
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 JayC16 |
1. RE: Curious,
Nov 19 2008, 11:43 PM EST
"Does Dexter ever have the urge to go "outside" the code.Dexter will never kill randomly. That is the prupose of the code. Like he said this week, the code keeps his dark side in check. I think even as he is changing the code, he will never kill randomly. He is socially responsible, if you can call it that. The code did not form his urge to kill those who deserve it. The code CHANNELED his killing urge. |
 Hanksfuture1stwife |
2. RE: Curious,
Nov 19 2008, 11:45 PM EST
Killing Miguel's brother in the first episode season three was outside of Dexter's code - and look what trouble it has gotten him into!
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 crocdundee |
3. RE: Curious,
Nov 19 2008, 11:52 PM EST
"Killing Miguel's brother in the first episode season three was outside of Dexter's code - and look what trouble it has gotten him into!"yes but that was forced on him as he attacked Dex with a knife when Dex was in to get Freebo.The code stops him from going over the edge and keeps him within the lines. |
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JayC16 |
4. RE: Curious,
Nov 19 2008, 11:52 PM EST
"Killing Miguel's brother in the first episode season three was outside of Dexter's code - and look what trouble it has gotten him into!"But Dexter did not choose to randomly kill him. It was actaully a case of self defense. Ramon came at him with the knife and Dexter defended himself. I don't know if the code says anything about self defense, but if it does, I'm sure it will say that self preservation is important. (When Dexter was with the Nazi in the garage, Harry told Dexter to give himself up. That is was better that being killed by the cops. Self preservation.) |
 zahmerica |
5. RE: Curious,
Nov 20 2008, 5:44 PM EST
That's an interesting question. He seems pretty comfortable with his code though. He's extremely well adjusted to regular people. He doesn't have any anger about anything or anybody. The emotions that emerge don't appear to be hostile regarding innocent people. He's actually gentle and good natured in that way. The code works for him. It will be interesting to see if he ends up losing himself enough to cross those lines. Anything can happen. But right now, he certainly seems to understand that killing innocent people is wrong. He's not just trained. I think he also has a basic understanding that it's wrong.
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zahmerica |
6. RE: Curious,
Nov 20 2008, 5:50 PM EST
Sorry, had another thought.I forgot about the pedophile. Some would argue that Dexter went outside of his code for the pedophile. Technically, a man without emotion wouldn't do something like that on impulse. The pedophile didn't kill anybody and didn't necessarily have plans to. But Dexter hunted him down for the sake of "his children." It seems like there's an instinct in Dexter that he would probably do anything to protect his family. So maybe he wouldn't randomly kill someone for cutting him in line. But I definitely think he would kill someone to protect an innocent person. Even if it was a pre-emptive strike like with the pedophile. There's clearly good reason to kill that pedophile but it seemed to be outside the code. |
 jwnelson11 |
7. RE: Curious,
Nov 20 2008, 6:33 PM EST
"Does Dexter ever have the urge to go "outside" the code.This is THE WHOLE POINT of the Code. Harry taught him so well that this code is ingrained in him that he would never do that. He killed Oscar and this sent him into a bit of remorse and grieving. This is how he met Miguel, and he was so upset about killing someone that was inocent that he really needed to know about him, and Miguel found out Dex was looking into Oscars history. No it would be so hard for Dex to do it intentionally. If it was an accident then it happens. But he has the code, and it is so important to him. |
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jwnelson11 |
8. RE: Curious,
Nov 20 2008, 6:36 PM EST
"But Dexter did not choose to randomly kill him. It was actaully a case of self defense. Ramon came at him with the knife and Dexter defended himself. I don't know if the code says anything about self defense, but if it does, I'm sure it will say that self preservation is important. (When Dexter was with the Nazi in the garage, Harry told Dexter to give himself up. That is was better that being killed by the cops. Self preservation.)"Also remember that last season when he was to kill Doakes he was having a hard time dealing with the possibility of having to kill Doakes. Doakes did not fit the profile he needed to be safe in his code. SO he was relieved that he was accidentally killed or killed by someone else. |
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zahmerica |
9. RE: Curious,
Nov 20 2008, 6:42 PM EST
"Also remember that last season when he was to kill Doakes he was having a hard time dealing with the possibility of having to kill Doakes. Doakes did not fit the profile he needed to be safe in his code. SO he was relieved that he was accidentally killed or killed by someone else."That's right too. He seemed ready to kill Doakes though. That would have been a MASSIVE break in his code. Obviously necessary to maintain his innocence. It makes you wonder though how far Dexter would go. He does have something to live for and more than just himself to protect. You don't think he would have killed Doakes if he had no other option? Cause that would have been a bad move for him but he seemed desparate. I love the divine interventions. You'd think it would seem unrealistic but it doesn't. It makes me love the show more. If Dexter can't weasel his way out of trouble, some higher thing is gonna help him. I don't wanna say God but I don't wanna not say God. |
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Dr.Toejam |
10. RE: Curious,
Nov 20 2008, 7:18 PM EST
Dexter has gone out of the code before,if your as big of fan as I,and read the books,you would know he kills someone without planing it,he "lets loose," and doesnt even prepare properly.So what im asking is do you ever think he feels that way about anyone,if someone pisses him off badly enough do you think his urge could ever "take over"
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Dr.Toejam |
11. RE: Curious,
Nov 20 2008, 7:23 PM EST
The number one rule of the code is not to get caught,but does that mean under any circumstances,Doakes was innocent "in a way",but if dexter were to have killed Doakes sooner none of this would of happened (the second season) I mean,he killed the sex predator in this season cause he was stalking Astor,Doakes was stalking him,so he could of gone out of the code,once again. But then again,the code would have been twisted,(dont get caught/dont harm innocents)
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Dr.Toejam |
12. RE: Curious,
Nov 20 2008, 7:24 PM EST
but its HIS code now,not Harrys,so he can twist it in anyway he wants,even killing innocents.
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zahmerica |
13. RE: Curious,
Nov 20 2008, 7:59 PM EST
He can continue to deny it but Deb and Rita matter to him. The innocence of those people in his life would probably keep those kinds of urges at bay. I did not read the book and don't plan to. But that's my take on things. He might have a desire to stray from Harry's code but he's still gonna be hard pressed to find an excuse to start killing innocent people when he's made it his beeswax not to. He's surrounded by sweet, sensitive and loyal people. If he's capable of ANY type of emotion, I hope it's an appreciation for his supportive sister and girlfriend. That alone should be useful even if he totally abandons Harry's code. Is appreciation an emotion? I don't know anymore :)
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jwnelson11 |
14. RE: Curious,
Nov 20 2008, 9:59 PM EST
"That's right too. He seemed ready to kill Doakes though. That would have been a MASSIVE break in his code. Obviously necessary to maintain his innocence. It makes you wonder though how far Dexter would go. He does have something to live for and more than just himself to protect. You don't think he would have killed Doakes if he had no other option? Cause that would have been a bad move for him but he seemed desparate. I love the divine interventions. You'd think it would seem unrealistic but it doesn't. It makes me love the show more. If Dexter can't weasel his way out of trouble, some higher thing is gonna help him. I don't wanna say God but I don't wanna not say God."It is the writers. The Power of the Writer. They created heaven and Dexter. So Not even Harry.. if they can not protect him no one can. Not Even Harry... |
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jwnelson11 |
15. RE: Curious,
Nov 20 2008, 10:02 PM EST
"Dexter has gone out of the code before,if your as big of fan as I,and read the books,you would know he kills someone without planing it,he "lets loose," and doesnt even prepare properly.So what im asking is do you ever think he feels that way about anyone,if someone pisses him off badly enough do you think his urge could ever "take over""No I do not I think he is so well trained, and part of the training was control. This is also part of the Matial Arts. If I am not mistaking, did n't he say something to this effect to Doakes when they were talking? That he is able to control his emotions. Doakes was trying to piss him off and make him mad so he would loose control. I think I dreamed that . But I do know this is a part of Martial Arts. |
 CKrelax |
16. RE: Curious,
Nov 21 2008, 10:59 AM EST
"but its HIS code now,not Harrys,so he can twist it in anyway he wants,even killing innocents."Harry is the voice inside his head. The code may grow more vines and twist and turn and flower, but, the root stock is buried deep within the soil of Dexters soul. There will always be Harry's code inside dexter |
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JayC16 |
17. RE: Curious,
Nov 21 2008, 5:25 PM EST
"But Dexter did not choose to randomly kill him. It was actaully a case of self defense. Ramon came at him with the knife and Dexter defended himself. I don't know if the code says anything about self defense, but if it does, I'm sure it will say that self preservation is important. (When Dexter was with the Nazi in the garage, Harry told Dexter to give himself up. That is was better that being killed by the cops. Self preservation.)"This should have read OSCAR, not Ramon. sorry |
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JayC16 |
18. RE: Curious,
Nov 21 2008, 5:30 PM EST
"Sorry, had another thought.well put. He wouldn't kill line jumpers, but will stray from word of the code if it meant saving those close to him if their lives were in danger. (so far he has dirctly saved Deb from a know killer, and saved the kids from a convicted and potentially dangerous pedophile. maybe more that I don't remember right now.) |
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JayC16 |
19. RE: Curious,
Nov 21 2008, 5:34 PM EST
"Also remember that last season when he was to kill Doakes he was having a hard time dealing with the possibility of having to kill Doakes. Doakes did not fit the profile he needed to be safe in his code. SO he was relieved that he was accidentally killed or killed by someone else."Another good point that supports the idea that he would not kill an innocent person or commit a random killing. |
