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clairebbbear
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Episode 11 and 12 **SPOILERS** and speculation
Nov 30 2008, 4:16 AM EST | Post edited: Nov 30 2008, 4:16 AM EST
These descriptions are from TV Guide:

Episode 11
Dexter preps for his wedding day but must first divorce himself from Miguel, which proves most difficult as Miguel is a prominent D.A. and Dexter's best man. Sylvia confides in Rita that Miguel has been seeing an ex-lover; Debra digs up new clues in the Skinner case.

Episode 12
Miguel's out of the picture, but his unstable brother Ramon still poses a threat to Dexter; a potentially fatal surprise could imperil Dexter's impending nuptials to Rita; Debra learns she's in line to get her detective's shield, but troublesome news could tarnish her promotion.

So, what do you think will happen based on this information? At minimum, we can assume that:
* Miguel is out of the way - probably killed - in episode 11
* The Skinner is captured in episode 11, because Deb is on the way to her shield in episode 12
* The "potentially fatal surprise" that imperils the wedding would have to be either Dex or Rita being in danger, presumably from Ramon. Could it be anything else?

What is the information that Deb finds out? Is it her involvement with Anton coming back to bite her? Or are there more things about the Skinner case that she finds out about - for example the Prado connection?

Any other ideas?

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zahmerica
zahmerica
1. RE: Episode 11 and 12 **SPOILERS** and speculation
Nov 30 2008, 11:59 AM EST | Post edited: Nov 30 2008, 11:59 AM EST
I could be way off base but I don't think Rita will be in any danger. Dexter probably will be though. I think Miguel will be killed off somehow in an upcoming episode. Possibly tonight even.

This oughta be interesting. I think Dexter's gonna have some close calls. The wedding is on though. I have a feeling that the show is going to end like every other season... with that pretty ribbon. The wedding will happen and that will be the closer for the season.
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clairebbbear
clairebbbear
2. RE: Episode 11 and 12 **SPOILERS** and speculation
Nov 30 2008, 12:25 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 30 2008, 12:25 PM EST
The info on episode 11 doesn't make it seem likely that Miguel will be gone tonight. Also, wiki had this info on episode 11 at one point:

A troubling dream leads Dexter to question his relationship with Miguel, as Debra and the Miami Metro get ever closer to apprehending the Skinner. Dexter begins to suspect that an old enemy may be closer than he thinks.

Dex wouldn't be questioning his relationship with Miguel in epsidoe 11 if he wasalready dead in episode 10.
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CKrelax
CKrelax
3. RE: Episode 11 and 12 **SPOILERS** and speculation
Nov 30 2008, 1:09 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 30 2008, 1:09 PM EST
The standoff from last weeks episode is like watchng two wild bulls confront each other on an open range. Right now the two are circling at a wide distance and snorting, shaking their heads and pawing the ground. Tonights episode will probably show them close enough to smell fear if any, or agression sweat anyway. I don't think their backs will grow stiff in anticipation of a one on one to the kill for at least two more episodes.

I now pronounce you Dexter and Miguel should be a title of one of the episodes. Interesting how Rita thinks she knows dexter oh so well. And he couldn't be further away from her than eh is right now, yet able to select a wedding cake. Wow!

Does anyone know what year the black porsche was that was across the street during the scene when Miuel came out of his house whistling early on in the episode last week? I couldn't tell if it was a 70's or early 80's model. I love that body style. I have a small vintage car collection myself.
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mike91848
4. RE: Episode 11 and 12 **SPOILERS** and speculation
Nov 30 2008, 1:51 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 30 2008, 1:51 PM EST
"These descriptions are from TV Guide:

Episode 11
Dexter preps for his wedding day but must first divorce himself from Miguel, which proves most difficult as Miguel is a prominent D.A. and Dexter's best man. Sylvia confides in Rita that Miguel has been seeing an ex-lover; Debra digs up new clues in the Skinner case.

Episode 12
Miguel's out of the picture, but his unstable brother Ramon still poses a threat to Dexter; a potentially fatal surprise could imperil Dexter's impending nuptials to Rita; Debra learns she's in line to get her detective's shield, but troublesome news could tarnish her promotion.

So, what do you think will happen based on this information? At minimum, we can assume that:
* Miguel is out of the way - probably killed - in episode 11
* The Skinner is captured in episode 11, because Deb is on the way to her shield in episode 12
* The "potentially fatal surprise" that imperils the wedding would have to be either Dex or Rita being in danger, presumably from Ramon. Could it be anything else?

What is the information that Deb finds out? Is it her involvement with Anton coming back to bite her? Or are there more things about the Skinner case that she finds out about - for example the Prado connection?

Any other ideas?

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This weeks Showtime teasers for tonight's episode show Dexter and Miguel in the donut shop having a heated conversation. Miguel mentions that Sylvia went to Maria's and blames Dexter. Dexter says it wasn't him. That leaves Rita. Miguel most likely told Ramon! Maria probably confessed to Sylvia and Miguel is pissed at Dexter and Rita.

With Miguel and Dexter squaring off for a showdown and Miguel being out by the end of E11 then Ramon could be coming after Rita and or both Dexter and Rita for revenge.

Deb hopefully will nab King and maybe take him out. Hopefully we will see the connection between all of this with the Prado's before he's gone! The only backlash I can see for Deb is her affair with Anton. One possibility is Quinn will cover for her and turn out to be a good guy and be back next season.
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5. RE: Episode 11 and 12 **SPOILERS** and speculation
Nov 30 2008, 2:00 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 30 2008, 2:00 PM EST
"A troubling dream leads Dexter to question his relationship with Miguel, as Debra and the Miami Metro get ever closer to apprehending the Skinner. Dexter begins to suspect that an old enemy may be closer than he thinks. "
An old enemy? Getting closer? WOW! Who could that be? Someone who is already dead and some evidence leading back to Dexter? Lundy is not supposed to be back this season but could the FBI be brought back because of Miguel? Doakes is dead and was truly an enemy. Lila is dead and was truly an enemy. Miguel is a current enemy.

Who could it be?
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sbyerley
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6. RE: Episode 11 and 12 **SPOILERS** and speculation
Dec 1 2008, 4:43 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 1 2008, 4:43 PM EST
"These descriptions are from TV Guide:

Episode 11
Dexter preps for his wedding day but must first divorce himself from Miguel, which proves most difficult as Miguel is a prominent D.A. and Dexter's best man. Sylvia confides in Rita that Miguel has been seeing an ex-lover; Debra digs up new clues in the Skinner case.

Episode 12
Miguel's out of the picture, but his unstable brother Ramon still poses a threat to Dexter; a potentially fatal surprise could imperil Dexter's impending nuptials to Rita; Debra learns she's in line to get her detective's shield, but troublesome news could tarnish her promotion.
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My thoughts and guesses - just speculation, if I were writing it:
11:
Maria arrests Miguel for the murder of Ellen. This is remarkable to both Syl and Rita as Maria is Miguel's old flame.
Dexter is kidnapped (single piece of duct tape on his wrists) by his police buddies for his bachelor party. We know Miguel has sent the Skinner after Dexter - but maybe Deb finds out something about Miguel and the Skinner talking alone in the police station- and puts something more together, and they are exposed before anyone is killed.
12:
Miguel is convicted for 2 murders - Freebos - as a bloody shirt was found at his home, and Ellen - with the ring and fingerprints - he goes to jail. Ramon blames Dexter - perhaps threatens him in front of Rita and she begins miscarrying the baby and is hospitalized, and the wedding delayed. By helping convict Miguel and perhaps the Skinner, she's getting promoted, but the only thing I can think of is sleeping with both Anton and her former boss (FBI) - maybe something out of the blue?
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spya
spya
7. RE: Episode 11 and 12 **SPOILERS** and speculation
Dec 2 2008, 12:07 AM EST | Post edited: Dec 2 2008, 12:07 AM EST
"My thoughts and guesses - just speculation, if I were writing it:
11:
Maria arrests Miguel for the murder of Ellen. This is remarkable to both Syl and Rita as Maria is Miguel's old flame.
Dexter is kidnapped (single piece of duct tape on his wrists) by his police buddies for his bachelor party. We know Miguel has sent the Skinner after Dexter - but maybe Deb finds out something about Miguel and the Skinner talking alone in the police station- and puts something more together, and they are exposed before anyone is killed.
12:
Miguel is convicted for 2 murders - Freebos - as a bloody shirt was found at his home, and Ellen - with the ring and fingerprints - he goes to jail. Ramon blames Dexter - perhaps threatens him in front of Rita and she begins miscarrying the baby and is hospitalized, and the wedding delayed. By helping convict Miguel and perhaps the Skinner, she's getting promoted, but the only thing I can think of is sleeping with both Anton and her former boss (FBI) - maybe something out of the blue?
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I'm with you on the MIguel part. I have long thought that perhaps Maria will end up arresting him so that his character can re-appear later if needed. An old enemy-Lundy? Like Mike said, Doakes is dead, but we can only speculate that Lila truly died. We never saw her body. She looked dead to me, but stranger things have happened. I don't know about the baby and Rita. Hey-an old enemy. Maybe Rita's mother?
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