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mike91848 |
20. RE: Thoughts on "I Had a Dream"
Dec 8 2008, 8:02 PM EST
"I'm assuming Dexter knows more about forensics than any of us do, so perhaps there is a chance that if he skins him quick enough after he strangles him, there would be no way to tell it was postmortem.Very good points! Do you find this valuable? |
CJSlice |
21. RE: Thoughts on "I Had a Dream"
Dec 8 2008, 8:33 PM EST
"I haven't seen next weeks preview or anything, but one thing is troubling me. Why was this episode called "I Had a Dream"?I think the title referred to how Dexter thought he finally found someone who accepted him and was like him, and at the end of this episode when the color fades out it solidifies Miguel's end and the end of that particular "dream". Also, he went outside of his routine a lot this season; inviting someone into his life, and his "hobby", etc. His plan to frame the skinner should work since he's the main blood guy. I mean if it comes down to a debate between him and say Masuka about if the cuts were done postmortem or not, I think they'd go with the blood spatter analyst . Do you find this valuable? |
ZizzyB23 |
22. RE: Thoughts on "I Had a Dream"
Dec 8 2008, 9:28 PM EST
"His plan to frame the skinner should work since he's the main blood guy. I mean if it comes down to a debate between him and say Masuka about if the cuts were done postmortem or not, I think they'd go with the blood spatter analyst ."I'm sure Dexter's frame job will work. However, I'm thinking Masuka would be trusted more than Dexter for this. Dexter does blood spatter exclusively. Masuka does all other forensics, but Dexter specializes in identifying patterns in blood and identifying blood types and what not (which is very soothing for him. Categorizing and putting things into their place). If you recall, Masuka was the one who identified the time of death and skinnings on the first victims. He was also LFI in the BHB case, so I think he's more of a jack of all trades while Dexter specializes in just spatter. Do you find this valuable? |
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CJSlice |
23. RE: Thoughts on "I Had a Dream"
Dec 8 2008, 10:33 PM EST
"I'm sure Dexter's frame job will work. However, I'm thinking Masuka would be trusted more than Dexter for this. Dexter does blood spatter exclusively. Masuka does all other forensics, but Dexter specializes in identifying patterns in blood and identifying blood types and what not (which is very soothing for him. Categorizing and putting things into their place). If you recall, Masuka was the one who identified the time of death and skinnings on the first victims. He was also LFI in the BHB case, so I think he's more of a jack of all trades while Dexter specializes in just spatter."Good points, I hadn't thought of that! Speaking of which, on a side note-I was trying to remember what Masuka's published work was on- any of you remember? Do you find this valuable? |
piratefetus |
24. RE: Thoughts on "I Had a Dream"
Dec 8 2008, 11:57 PM EST
"I'm assuming Dexter knows more about forensics than any of us do, so perhaps there is a chance that if he skins him quick enough after he strangles him, there would be no way to tell it was postmortem.Well, I know a thing or two about forensics. The blood patterns would be different and the way the cuts on the skin look would also be different if the cuts were done post-mortem. The blood stops flowing when someone dies, and so the way it came out would be different as it's all left up to gravity and not being pumped out anymore. I didn't remember that they had determined the other victims to be post-mortem, though. I just figured since the skinner was cutting Anton before killing him that that's what he did to the others as well. I'm sure Dexter will get away with it though, he always does :] And again this might not even get brought up, especially if the skinner had killed the others first. In any case, can't wait till next week! 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
PLZhopOFFmyD1CK |
25. RE: Thoughts on "I Had a Dream"
Dec 9 2008, 12:44 AM EST
I believe they had confirmed the skinning was done while the victims were alive. They mentioned in particular Wendell died from the skinning itself.I'm curious to see how it all turns out... hopefully it gets resolved next week, but if waiting 9 months to find out is what it takes to do it right then that would be better in my opinion. I'd hate to see such a big build up fall apart due to only having 50 or so minutes to cram everything together. Plus, by then we'll have so many theories we can start taking bets lol Do you find this valuable? |
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ZizzyB23 |
26. RE: Thoughts on "I Had a Dream"
Dec 9 2008, 1:47 AM EST
"I believe they had confirmed the skinning was done while the victims were alive. They mentioned in particular Wendell died from the skinning itself"Wendell was the first victim to be killed by the skinning itself. The first two or three victims it was determined they were killed by other means. I believe Dexter told Deb that the skinner was just practicing up until then. Do you find this valuable? |
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t.k.o. |
27. RE: Thoughts on "I Had a Dream"
Dec 9 2008, 12:40 PM EST
Let me start out by saying, like all of you I loved the episode... my girlfriend and I were cracking up most all of it... ok....Miguel was a certified buster.. thank goodness they gave him the axe... err choker. I do think Dex was pushing it by comitting the murder in Laguerta's house... he is a bit too risky. Like when he was in the hotel room. I understand the Prado's were drinking and would most likely be there for a while.. but who knows if one of them would need to run back to the room to grab something, or anything? Dex was in there just hangin and would have had to make a messy scene to clean up the mistake of being so care free. Couldn't he have done something to ensure they couldn't walk in on him? Lock the deadbolt? Maybe I missed it. Even when he was walking through the casino or hotel lobby whatever it was, right before he got to the room I was thinking "Come on man you're a yoked red head with a sinister stroll... can't you be a little more discreet?" Especially since Miguel knows you're a murderer.. and hes probably inchin towards the top of your list. They seem to make Quinn too ideal of a candidate for Deb. I still want to beleive he is hiding something DEEP. My biggest beef is with Miguel figuring out Laguerta's every move just from his hatch not being secured. I can't tell you how many times I've hit my trunk instead of the gas door... or didn't shut the hatch all the way. It just seems ridiculous he put "0" and "close to nothing" together and figured out her every move... with logic and observational talent like that.. you'd think he might discover Dexter camping out in plain sight 7 feet away. I am depressed the next episode is the last of the season. :( Do you find this valuable? |
dexlvr3 |
28. RE: Thoughts on "I Had a Dream"
Dec 9 2008, 1:05 PM EST
I thought the kill room was at LaGuerta's house too, but was later told that it was at Ellen's house, which made a lot more sense to me. I agree with you about the hotel room, plus it was just way too easy for him to get in with the maid. I think that Miguel got suspicious because of the trunk being ajar, you noticed he looked around because I think he suspected Dexter first, and amazingly didn't seem him sitting in his car right across the street! What really tipped him off was the computer in his hotel room that alerted him that someone was looking for evidence in Ellen's murder. There is another thread on here about all of the obvious mistakes made in this episode. The big one is LaGuerta's key being under a pot right in front of her door. My thought is that they ended up changing a few things at the end of filming and sort of crammed a couple of episodes into one. I think that they started out with too many open plot lines and didn't have enough time to finish them all off. I still don't see how they are going to end all of them in one episode. That's why I think there will be a cliffhanger this year. You would think that by now with all of the Dexter fans around that we would notice all of these inconsistencies. Or maybe they are just trying to show how serial killers start getting sloppy in their exploits when they get too overly confident. Usually that is what leads to their eventual downfall and capture. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
crocdundee |
29. RE: Thoughts on "I Had a Dream"
Dec 9 2008, 7:23 PM EST
"I liked this episode a lot too. It had some good moments that you pointed out. Miguel is gone and Dexter has Ramon and George to deal with. George meets the code, Ramon doesn't. These two guys just may be a carry over to next season. The kill scene was great. Miguel thinking 'Knife" and he got strangled. The wedding? The baby? Next week will be great. I wonder if Showtime has numbers for viewers for a given episode? Don’t know how but if they did I would love to see how many tune in to the last episode."i have posted it elsewhere but i was a bit disappointed with this episode.Notwithstanding some artistic license was used re the key under the plant pot,Dexter about 12 ft away in his car and using Laguerta's place for the kill.i also felt that the Miguel kill was rushed although it was great that Dexter is back on form.i take it the strangulation will be to make it look like the skinner killed Miguel and i don't expect a dice and slice of Miguel if that is to be the case? The lighter moments were well done and Masuka is always worth a laugh. i have only watched the episode once but someone has posted that it looks like 2 episodes mashed into one and quite hurried looking. personally i am looking for a big send off in the final episode as i have struggled a bit through this season. Too many things going on and not explored enough to their conclusion or at least revisited...Quinn and Yuki ? Not that i care particularly but Debs relationships just end and no real closure.Lundy as a case in point and is it all now over with her and Anton? A lot of loose ends that i don't believe will come good in 50mins.Are any of them being carried over or swept under the carpet? Do you find this valuable? |
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crocdundee |
30. RE: Thoughts on "I Had a Dream"
Dec 9 2008, 7:29 PM EST
"good point i was wondering where he ' did ' miguel, surely he wouldn't have taken the chance in Maria's place? Do you find this valuable? |
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crocdundee |
31. RE: Thoughts on "I Had a Dream"
Dec 9 2008, 7:38 PM EST
"I'm sure Dexter's frame job will work. However, I'm thinking Masuka would be trusted more than Dexter for this. Dexter does blood spatter exclusively. Masuka does all other forensics, but Dexter specializes in identifying patterns in blood and identifying blood types and what not (which is very soothing for him. Categorizing and putting things into their place). If you recall, Masuka was the one who identified the time of death and skinnings on the first victims. He was also LFI in the BHB case, so I think he's more of a jack of all trades while Dexter specializes in just spatter."i know i am being picky and this is for television after all, but do you think that the miami police dept would let Dexter analyse evidence relating to his ' best friend ' who has been tragically killed? or for that matter would Laguerta be in charge of her friend Ellen's murder and probably Miguels too? as i said i am being picky !! it would be boring otherwise. Do you find this valuable? |
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dexlvr3 |
32. RE: Thoughts on "I Had a Dream"
Dec 9 2008, 7:43 PM EST
"i know i am being picky and this is for television after all, but do you think that the miami police dept would let Dexter analyse evidence relating to his ' best friend ' who has been tragically killed? or for that matter would Laguerta be in charge of her friend Ellen's murder and probably Miguels too?I really think that they have to, don't they? I mean it IS their job, and as long as they aren't implicated in the murder then they do have to do the investigations of them, friends or not. I would also think that they would WANT to, to catch the killer of their friend. Do you find this valuable? |
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crocdundee |
33. RE: Thoughts on "I Had a Dream"
Dec 9 2008, 8:09 PM EST
"I really think that they have to, don't they? I mean it IS their job, and as long as they aren't implicated in the murder then they do have to do the investigations of them, friends or not. I would also think that they would WANT to, to catch the killer of their friend. "No i disagree, too emotionally involved. They have to be professional I grant you, but not when it's your best friend who has been killed and you are anxious to get a conviction.(this is obviously doesn't matter as Dexter killed him anyway !!) No matter what it would be human nature to want to get a conviction and impartiality to go out the window.a defense counsel would have a field day "So Mr Morgan , you are the head of forenics at the miami central police dept, yes?And you are saying that you found my clients DNA at the scence of the killing of Miguel Prado,yes? Could you tell me Mr Morgan, is this the same Miguel Prado who was to be the best man at your wedding,the same Miguel Prado who paid for your wedding reception,the same Miguel Prado .......I put it to you and members of the jury that in your understandable grief Mr Morgan you were blinded by the fact that you must obtain a conviction to avenge your friends death? Is that not the case? Members of the jury ,do you really think that Mr Morgan could be impartial in this case and bearing in mind this is the same police dept that employed the BHB, and we all remember that farce don't we ?(knowing nods) How can we be sure beyond all reasonable doubt,yes members of the jury BEYOND ALL RESONABLE DOUBT that this police dept would not try to secure a quick conviction for the murder of an assistant D.A." blah blah. I have watched enough LA law to know these things ha ha Do you find this valuable? |
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dexlvr3 |
34. RE: Thoughts on "I Had a Dream"
Dec 9 2008, 8:23 PM EST
I KNEW you were a lawyer posing a a little school girl! LOL!
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dexlvr3 |
35. RE: Thoughts on "I Had a Dream"
Dec 9 2008, 8:24 PM EST
That was supposed to be "as a".
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crocdundee |
36. RE: Thoughts on "I Had a Dream"
Dec 9 2008, 8:38 PM EST
"I KNEW you were a lawyer posing a a little school girl! LOL!"And i KNEW that you'd be coming back to this ha ha ,sorry ,giggle giggle Do you find this valuable? |
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PLZhopOFFmyD1CK |
37. RE: Thoughts on "I Had a Dream"
Dec 10 2008, 2:01 AM EST
Then again, they let Dex analyze the blood slides ("Doakes' slides") under the belief he would be thorough about it due to his eagerness to get a conviction. Although it may be different with Miguel having a much higher profile.I don't know as much about law so this may be a dumb question, but how would it play out as far as Maria obtaining the DNA from Miguel's car without a search warrant? Or would that even matter with Miguel already being dead? Do you find this valuable? |
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crocdundee |
38. RE: Thoughts on "I Had a Dream"
Dec 10 2008, 4:15 AM EST
"Then again, they let Dex analyze the blood slides ("Doakes' slides") under the belief he would be thorough about it due to his eagerness to get a conviction. Although it may be different with Miguel having a much higher profile.i know laws are different from country to country but it is obviously obtained illegally and i believe it would be inadmissible even though it points to his guilt.you would have to obtained the sample lawfully as in, lawfully on the premises or vehicle either with a warrant or a police power to allow you to gather evidence.Maria wasn't so i think it would get thrown out. Do you find this valuable? |
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crocdundee |
39. RE: Thoughts on "I Had a Dream"
Dec 10 2008, 4:22 AM EST
"Then again, they let Dex analyze the blood slides ("Doakes' slides") under the belief he would be thorough about it due to his eagerness to get a conviction. Although it may be different with Miguel having a much higher profile.again being mr picky in real life the dept.would get nowhere near the investigation into the Doakes case.never mind Dexter analyzing anything.They would have a special task force from other areas and it would not contain anyone from Dexters police station. they couldn't have a mass murderer like the BHB bring investigated by those who he worked with and some of whom were friends to a point. Do you find this valuable? |
