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margovidas
margovidas
61. RE: Predict Season 4 (Book spoiler alert)
Mar 3 2009, 4:21 PM EST | Post edited: Mar 3 2009, 4:21 PM EST
"I truly believe in season four we will see Deb discovering Dexter's secret. I don't know if I like that idea or not, but I feel strongly that is the direction the show is heading. Almost formulaic, every season we see Dexter making a real connection with someone but then having to kill them. I think the only thing that can be dramatically gratifying is for somebody to discover his secret and accept it. I'm sure most people would agree if any character could do that, it would be Deb."
This is what I think: The underlying crux of Season 4 might be Deb's looking into her father's past history. Slowly finding out why Harry adopted Dex and all the historical garbage that came along with Harry and Dex's relationship. Finding out that Briney (Ice Truck Killer) was Dex's brother. She will know all this but not the one essential fact about Dex's alter ego (Dark Defender/Serial Killer). Maybe this is the cliffhanger of the end of Season 4. The Morgan family's Dexter secret will not be found out by Deb. In her heart, she has always known that Harry and Dex had a special relationship and she was on the outside looking in. That's probably why she is so over-enthusiastic in any endeavors she undertakes (still trying hard to be Daddy's girl). There are so many avenues Season 4 could take: new baby's genetic DNA from Dex, Rita and Dex settling into a somewhat family life, most importantly Deb's "inquesitive" nature re family.
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jwnelson11
jwnelson11
62. RE: Predict Season 4 (Book spoiler alert)
Mar 3 2009, 4:39 PM EST | Post edited: Mar 3 2009, 4:39 PM EST
"I, for one, do not know if Deb COULD accept it. There is way too much secrecy, betrayal & humiliation involved. She has already had to experience those things being engaged to a serial killer, let alone having one for a brother. She is such the cop and so into doing what she thinks is the right thing for law, order & justice and her emotions are so much in your face & on the surface. What would be even worse is finding out what Harry & Dex were doing on their little outings when she & Dex were growing up. She would be facing betrayal from everyone she has ever loved, trusted & considered family. What do you think that would do to her psyche? I doubt that anyone could take that much in & accept it, let alone Deb. Although she seems tough on the outside, it is a facade for the most part. I think she's half jelled jello on the inside."
I agree completely. Plus I do not think Dex CAN Admittttt it to her in any way short of his death bed. He knows Deb would be devistated by this info. I think he cares too much for her to have her humiliated by this.
Dex was taught from a very early age that what he feels is wrong, and that he HAS to control the urges and channel them in a constructive way. He knows it is His BAD.
If and when Deb finds out it would hurt her she would freak out. It would devastate her. He could not do that....
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jwnelson11
jwnelson11
63. RE: Predict Season 4 (Book spoiler alert)
Mar 3 2009, 4:45 PM EST | Post edited: Mar 3 2009, 4:45 PM EST
I guess I missed something. I remember the last episode of last season ( I say I remember as in Barely - as it was such a let down) That Dex and Rita got married (Sorry Mike). I can not remember anything that left a clue for the future. Like I said It was Such a let down I had to ask other what it was about.
Please fill me in on what I missed to spark my memory as to what the cliff hanger was at the end. Didn't Rita go into labor?? or was that a preview of something? or What happened at the end that leads to this season?
Thanks
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dexlvr3
dexlvr3
64. RE: Predict Season 4 (Book spoiler alert)
Mar 3 2009, 5:23 PM EST | Post edited: Mar 3 2009, 5:23 PM EST
"I guess I missed something. I remember the last episode of last season ( I say I remember as in Barely - as it was such a let down) That Dex and Rita got married (Sorry Mike). I can not remember anything that left a clue for the future. Like I said It was Such a let down I had to ask other what it was about.
Please fill me in on what I missed to spark my memory as to what the cliff hanger was at the end. Didn't Rita go into labor?? or was that a preview of something? or What happened at the end that leads to this season?
Thanks"
The only thing that I could possibly think of that would lead into this season, is Deb checking into Harry's past, or maybe Miguel's brother sticking around & going after Dex. Or, maybe somebody will actually find DNA, hair & fiber from Dexter at the crime scene where he broke his arm. There was the blood from his arm dripping on Rita's wedding dress. I don't know if that has any significance, or just put in there as a symbol as Dex is all about blood. Then there is Rita's secret about her first marriage. What happened there & will Dex check into it or not? Rita's belly was extremely flat in the wedding dress, so we'll have to see how far along she is at the beginning of season 4.
I am enjoying all of these postings as well. It's nice to see everybody discussing again!
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ZizzyB23
ZizzyB23
66. RE: Predict Season 4 (Book spoiler alert)
Mar 3 2009, 6:10 PM EST | Post edited: Mar 3 2009, 6:10 PM EST
I think if Deb were to find out Dexter's secret, she wouldn't blindly be okay with it. There would be some inner turmoil. Some deep soul searching for sure. Maybe she'd find out but not let Dexter knows she knows for a while. That could add an interesting little twist to all of Dexter's voice overs.

But again, I don't entirely like the idea of that happening, if it did, but just like Dexter becoming a father I could learn to accept it. I say that I think she'll find out eventually just because she has the case file with Dexter's mother in it. She's doing all the same exact things Dexter did when he was searching for his mother and the Ice Trucker Killer, and he got good results. She'll see this woman's name, Laura Mosser, and that will make her remember Rudy's real name being Brian Mosser. In this case file it probably mentions she had two children. It will also mention Laura's address, which is the house where Rudy tried to get Dexter to kill her.

Of course knowing ALL of this, she couldn't jump to the conclusion that Dexter is a serial killer, but it would cause her to look at him in a different light, and perhaps even question things he does.

I don't know, maybe I'm crazy. Does this make sense to anybody else? Is there something I'm missing or can somebody put it in better words than I?
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dexlvr3
dexlvr3
68. RE: Predict Season 4 (Book spoiler alert)
Mar 3 2009, 8:21 PM EST | Post edited: Mar 3 2009, 8:21 PM EST
"I think if Deb were to find out Dexter's secret, she wouldn't blindly be okay with it. There would be some inner turmoil. Some deep soul searching for sure. Maybe she'd find out but not let Dexter knows she knows for a while. That could add an interesting little twist to all of Dexter's voice overs.

But again, I don't entirely like the idea of that happening, if it did, but just like Dexter becoming a father I could learn to accept it. I say that I think she'll find out eventually just because she has the case file with Dexter's mother in it. She's doing all the same exact things Dexter did when he was searching for his mother and the Ice Trucker Killer, and he got good results. She'll see this woman's name, Laura Mosser, and that will make her remember Rudy's real name being Brian Mosser. In this case file it probably mentions she had two children. It will also mention Laura's address, which is the house where Rudy tried to get Dexter to kill her.

Of course knowing ALL of this, she couldn't jump to the conclusion that Dexter is a serial killer, but it would cause her to look at him in a different light, and perhaps even question things he does.

I don't know, maybe I'm crazy. Does this make sense to anybody else? Is there something I'm missing or can somebody put it in better words than I?"
I don't know, Zizzy...do you think that Deb could really keep something like that inside without everybody knowing about it? She wears almost every emotion on the outside. I have a hard time excepting Dex as new daddy & family man myself. If they can pull it off & make it interesting & exciting somehow it would be okay, but I honestly don't know how they are gonna do that. They will definitely have to step up with the writing.
I think eventually Deb will find out about Dex. It could be at the ending of the series though.
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dexlvr3
dexlvr3
69. RE: Predict Season 4 (Book spoiler alert)
Mar 3 2009, 8:26 PM EST | Post edited: Mar 3 2009, 8:26 PM EST
continued.....She could be his downfall, or could be his saviour, that remains to be seen. I think you have a good idea saying that she could know about Laura & Brian Moser without knowing that Dex is a serial killer, though. That would make for an interesting ride. Deb KNOWS that there is something different about Dex, I think she just doesn't want to see what that difference really is. Do you find this valuable?    
Sueezedtight
Sueezedtight
70. RE: Predict Season 4 (Book spoiler alert)
Mar 3 2009, 8:38 PM EST | Post edited: Mar 3 2009, 8:38 PM EST
So, we think that Deb will get extra cred for being Mrs MCH? If so, the writers will not kill the goose that laid the golden eggs.....but she could find out more about Harry. Dex follows him but Deb idolizes him. To find that he was a womanizer? (That will be her FIRST impression....you know Deb, right?) AND that he took advantage of his CI (holy crap, that's what Deb did too...might it run in the family?) She WILL DEFINITELY come to Dex with her fears and her suppositions. Imagine how Dex will steer her away from THAT line of questioning! Promising, very promising....:))) Do you find this valuable?    
jwnelson11
jwnelson11
71. RE: Predict Season 4 (What I forgot from season 3 - Everything !!)
Mar 3 2009, 11:48 PM EST | Post edited: Mar 3 2009, 11:48 PM EST
"So, we think that Deb will get extra cred for being Mrs MCH? If so, the writers will not kill the goose that laid the golden eggs.....but she could find out more about Harry. Dex follows him but Deb idolizes him. To find that he was a womanizer? (That will be her FIRST impression....you know Deb, right?) AND that he took advantage of his CI (holy crap, that's what Deb did too...might it run in the family?) She WILL DEFINITELY come to Dex with her fears and her suppositions. Imagine how Dex will steer her away from THAT line of questioning! Promising, very promising....:)))"
Ya Think?? Well so do I...

Deb as a new Detective, and doing the leg work on her dad. I am embarrased to say that the whole last few shows of the season I was not paying attention to. I can not remember why she needed to search Harry's old files.
(There was some turmoil going on ya see, I was called some names and it got out of hand so I was distracted some what) And a lot of things going on in my life, so I did not understand all about that.
If Deb stays true to her self, and not mature more as a Detective, she will remain emotional, and like it was said wear her emotions on her sleeve. But now she is a Dective and she needs to mature more. I hope the writers do this and not do the cliche' woman, and woman's emotions thing.
Deb is a good character, She is important to the show as Dex's Sister. She was new to the Police force in the first few seasons, Now she is seasoned and in a much more responsible position so Pleze Deb act more Mature.
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CKrelax
CKrelax
72. RE: Predict Season 4 (Book spoiler alert)
Mar 4 2009, 11:58 AM EST | Post edited: Mar 4 2009, 11:58 AM EST
"This is what I think: The underlying crux of Season 4 might be Deb's looking into her father's past history. Slowly finding out why Harry adopted Dex and all the historical garbage that came along with Harry and Dex's relationship. Finding out that Briney (Ice Truck Killer) was Dex's brother. She will know all this but not the one essential fact about Dex's alter ego (Dark Defender/Serial Killer). Maybe this is the cliffhanger of the end of Season 4. The Morgan family's Dexter secret will not be found out by Deb. In her heart, she has always known that Harry and Dex had a special relationship and she was on the outside looking in. That's probably why she is so over-enthusiastic in any endeavors she undertakes (still trying hard to be Daddy's girl). There are so many avenues Season 4 could take: new baby's genetic DNA from Dex, Rita and Dex settling into a somewhat family life, most importantly Deb's "inquesitive" nature re family."
Okay, now looking historically for time markers on serial killer behavior, is there one for how ever long Dex has been killing? Or one for the number of kills that he has? This may round out storylines for the show that would also include family ties and these conditioned responses. Any thoughts, anyone?
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Sueezedtight
Sueezedtight
73. RE: Predict Season 4 (Book spoiler alert)
Mar 4 2009, 12:28 PM EST | Post edited: Mar 4 2009, 12:28 PM EST
Other programs have centered on the BAU (Criminal minds etc.) and how agents use already established patterns to follow the clues or even to get inside the head of the SK.
Dex is a cut above (ohhhhh that pun!) in that he has a code that elevates him above the run-of-the-mill SK who is only driven by his impulses and his complusion.
Harry devised the code based on.....???? His studies? His ethics? ...His EXPERIENCES????? A very long and dark corridor that Deb can explore and that Dex can express in his internal dialogue.
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margovidas
margovidas
74. RE: Predict Season 4 (Book spoiler alert)
Mar 4 2009, 12:47 PM EST | Post edited: Mar 4 2009, 12:47 PM EST
"Okay, now looking historically for time markers on serial killer behavior, is there one for how ever long Dex has been killing? Or one for the number of kills that he has? This may round out storylines for the show that would also include family ties and these conditioned responses. Any thoughts, anyone?"
What we know about Dex's DNA lineage: Brother Rudy was a serial killer, Dex and Rudy were pre-disposed genetically and both also witnessed their mother's horrific blood-dripping killing at a young age. Witnessing their mother's killing would not make them serial killers. There has to be more in their genetic past history: grandfathers/grandmothers, cousins, et al. Post-traumatic stress syndrome disorder doesn't alway lead a person to being a serial killer. PTSD, in my opinion, usually can be the underlying direction towards a person acquiring a mental illness, i.e., personality disorders, etc. Not necessarily becoming serial killers. Why did Harry only adopt Dex and not Rudy? Still feel we never got an exact answer to that. The writers of the show must not have wanted to explore that issue. Maybe in Season 4, Deb will find out that Rudy was Dex's brother. This knowledge would not bring her closer to finding out Dex's alter-ego of a serial killer. What would she know: Rudy and Dex are related, their mother was an informant for Harry and had a relationship with Harry. None of this information would bring her closer to learning the truth about Dex. Dex easily could avert any disclosure about his true alter-ego from all inquisitive parties. Anyone want to explore this further?
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CKrelax
CKrelax
75. RE: Predict Season 4 (Book spoiler alert)
Mar 4 2009, 1:08 PM EST | Post edited: Mar 4 2009, 1:08 PM EST
"What we know about Dex's DNA lineage: Brother Rudy was a serial killer, Dex and Rudy were pre-disposed genetically and both also witnessed their mother's horrific blood-dripping killing at a young age. Witnessing their mother's killing would not make them serial killers. There has to be more in their genetic past history: grandfathers/grandmothers, cousins, et al. Post-traumatic stress syndrome disorder doesn't alway lead a person to being a serial killer. PTSD, in my opinion, usually can be the underlying direction towards a person acquiring a mental illness, i.e., personality disorders, etc. Not necessarily becoming serial killers. Why did Harry only adopt Dex and not Rudy? Still feel we never got an exact answer to that. The writers of the show must not have wanted to explore that issue. Maybe in Season 4, Deb will find out that Rudy was Dex's brother. This knowledge would not bring her closer to finding out Dex's alter-ego of a serial killer. What would she know: Rudy and Dex are related, their mother was an informant for Harry and had a relationship with Harry. None of this information would bring her closer to learning the truth about Dex. Dex easily could avert any disclosure about his true alter-ego from all inquisitive parties. Anyone want to explore this further?"
In the past blogers have tried exploring this scenario, but, to no avail. Either we all lack foresight, or, there is a real dead end here. Each season this topic is tried and no one comes away satisfied. Good luck!
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Sueezedtight
Sueezedtight
76. RE: Predict Season 4 (Book spoiler alert)
Mar 4 2009, 2:18 PM EST | Post edited: Mar 4 2009, 2:18 PM EST
There is always the possibility that the "Nature vs Nurture" experiment was being undertaken and that Dex was one of the subjects that got good parenting while the others ..... nah, too big of a stretch.
Loopholes anyone?
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jwnelson11
jwnelson11
77. RE: Predict Season 4 (Book spoiler alert)
Mar 4 2009, 3:11 PM EST | Post edited: Mar 4 2009, 3:11 PM EST
"What we know about Dex's DNA lineage: Brother Rudy was a serial killer, Dex and Rudy were pre-disposed genetically and both also witnessed their mother's horrific blood-dripping killing at a young age. Witnessing their mother's killing would not make them serial killers. There has to be more in their genetic past history: grandfathers/grandmothers, cousins, et al. Post-traumatic stress syndrome disorder doesn't alway lead a person to being a serial killer. PTSD, in my opinion, usually can be the underlying direction towards a person acquiring a mental illness, i.e., personality disorders, etc. Not necessarily becoming serial killers. Why did Harry only adopt Dex and not Rudy? Still feel we never got an exact answer to that. The writers of the show must not have wanted to explore that issue. Maybe in Season 4, Deb will find out that Rudy was Dex's brother. This knowledge would not bring her closer to finding out Dex's alter-ego of a serial killer. What would she know: Rudy and Dex are related, their mother was an informant for Harry and had a relationship with Harry. None of this information would bring her closer to learning the truth about Dex. Dex easily could avert any disclosure about his true alter-ego from all inquisitive parties. Anyone want to explore this further?"
I did not think this was a Genetic marker to be a Serial Killer, I was always told it was the result of traumatic experiences and or a weak psyche that could react to this traumatic event by this Sociopathic behavior. Meaning that not every one that is or has been a witness or exposed to this sort of violence will act out like this. But due to an event that sets them off in a certain way can lead certain personalities to Psychotic/Sociopathic behavior. Rudy and Dexter were involved in this sort of event. and thier mother being what she was may not have been the most stable thing in thier life.
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jwnelson11
jwnelson11
78. RE: Predict Season 4 (Book spoiler alert)
Mar 4 2009, 3:21 PM EST | Post edited: Mar 4 2009, 3:21 PM EST
"There is always the possibility that the "Nature vs Nurture" experiment was being undertaken and that Dex was one of the subjects that got good parenting while the others ..... nah, too big of a stretch.
Loopholes anyone?"
I think you have a very good point. But there are variables that may or may not have been involved. Like Rudy was not rescued first, and he went to foster care (actually they probably both went to foster care) But Dex had been rescued first so his time in the blood and being so young may not have imprinted as deep. But Rudy was left in there longer, and was older, and may have been bullied at school or some other place, and he may have hardened before the murder. So he may have been set up befoer hand. He also went to a mental ward/Hospital at some point and labeled as Psychotic. While Dexter was adopted by a caring family. Harry cared for Dex very much and I think Harry cared for Dex more than any one else in his life. His adoptive mother was not such a strong influence on him, and Harry was not as involved with Deb as he was with Dexter. So Dexter had harry all over him as his primary care giver and significant other.
To me it makes sence that Dexter turned out better than Rudy, by having someone that really cared for him. He was in a much more stable environment, and he would turn out better (sort of) by this alone. But they both had the propensity for opportunic murder. But Dexter was able to channel it to something more constructive, via Harry's Code.
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Sueezedtight
Sueezedtight
80. RE: Predict Season 4 (Book spoiler alert)
Mar 4 2009, 3:40 PM EST | Post edited: Mar 4 2009, 3:40 PM EST
"You know we have new people come into this site all of the time. We are all part of the Dexter experience, and I am sure not everyone will sit down and read alll of the past postings. I look at it as the resposibility to bring the newbies up to date with our collective knowlege and not push them away. But to bring them along.
Even if we have talked things to death we can always re explore a situation. maybe soemthing will become clearer, or change some what. "
It is always of prime importance to realize that each addition is a plus and a means of further exploring and exploiting the vibe.
We are all kind of puzzled/fascinated by the "humanity" demonstrated by Dex despite the obvious duality of his life-taking ways.
Along the same lines, we are often at odds with our own natures and fail to understand that for us to take advantage of our entire potential, we must integrate the various aspects (all colors of the spectrum give you true white light) of ourselves to be able to function totally.
Dex is actually a study in how the darker parts of our natures can be used to "good" effect.
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Sueezedtight
81. RE: Predict Season 4 (Book spoiler alert)
Mar 4 2009, 3:44 PM EST | Post edited: Mar 4 2009, 3:44 PM EST
Harry must have had feelings of guilt associated with Dex's mom's killing. He was the person responsible for using her as bait, no? AND he was having an affair with her as well. Hopefully it wasn't just to further his drug-bust case.....unlikely but you never know... Do you find this valuable?    
CKrelax
CKrelax
82. RE: Predict Season 4 (Book spoiler alert)
Mar 4 2009, 4:57 PM EST | Post edited: Mar 4 2009, 4:57 PM EST
"I think you have a very good point. But there are variables that may or may not have been involved. Like Rudy was not rescued first, and he went to foster care (actually they probably both went to foster care) But Dex had been rescued first so his time in the blood and being so young may not have imprinted as deep. But Rudy was left in there longer, and was older, and may have been bullied at school or some other place, and he may have hardened before the murder. So he may have been set up befoer hand. He also went to a mental ward/Hospital at some point and labeled as Psychotic. While Dexter was adopted by a caring family. Harry cared for Dex very much and I think Harry cared for Dex more than any one else in his life. His adoptive mother was not such a strong influence on him, and Harry was not as involved with Deb as he was with Dexter. So Dexter had harry all over him as his primary care giver and significant other.
To me it makes sence that Dexter turned out better than Rudy, by having someone that really cared for him. He was in a much more stable environment, and he would turn out better (sort of) by this alone. But they both had the propensity for opportunic murder. But Dexter was able to channel it to something more constructive, via Harry's Code."
Yeah, the show always makes it a blanket cause for Dexter being a serial killer and that being from three days in a bloody container. Heck that would f**k with my head! Enough to make me kill? I don't know. But, I don't see more than Harry's code coming out of that beginning and guess I have trouble trying to guess for more storylines from the beginning thread. You guys may have more vision than me and find a way the show will use all of that bloody beginning to use in the next two seasons, But I can't.I am not saying not to try, I am saying I exhausted all my thoughts along those lines.
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Sueezedtight
83. RE: Predict Season 4 (Book spoiler alert)
Mar 4 2009, 5:16 PM EST | Post edited: Mar 4 2009, 5:16 PM EST
The more you look at it, the hinkier it gets. Harry "created" his code from supposition and theory? I am definitely picking up an experience vibe. He was not the "angel" that the Morgan children consider him to be. Dark passengers often use the same kinds of vessels because of their similar needs. I see Dex getting into a more adversarial role with his "co-pilot" and seeing if he can break free from the ties that bind...and gag...;-) Do you find this valuable?    
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