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Dr.Toejam
Dr.Toejam
Season 5 prediction
Jun 14 2009, 3:26 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 14 2009, 11:09 PM EDT
Well we already know Lundy is coming back to the show. Lundy was tailing a killer known as "The Trinity Killer" (named for killing three people at a time), who also has evaded arrest for over 30 years when the killer flees to Miami right when Lundy is about to catch him. Is it possible that season 4 will lead to Lundy finding out Dexter? With Doakes out of the picture, Dexter would become the only suspect if Dexter ever made a mistake. Its just a thought :] 3  out of 4 found this valuable. Do you?    
clairebbbear
clairebbbear
1. RE: Season 5 prediction
Jun 14 2009, 8:31 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 14 2009, 8:31 PM EDT
"Well we already know Lundy is coming back to the show. Lundy was tailing a killer known as "The Trinity Killer" (named for killing three people at a time), who also has evaded arrest for over 30 years when the killer flees to Miami right when Lundy is about to catch him. Is it possible that season 4 will lead to Lundy finding out Dexter? With Doakes out of the picture, Dexter would become the only suspect if Dexter ever made a mistake. "
I think season 4 is too early for someone to find out about Dexter's secret, except possibly for Deb.

I mean - Lundy's job it to catch killers - it's hardly likely that he'd find out that Dexter was a killer and then do nothing with that information. If that happened, and Dexter found out that Lundy knew, I think he'd have to kill him. Or get Simmons to kill him - I don't know.

The other possibility is that someone (probably Lundy) witnesses Dexter abduct someone or stalk someone, and starts to get suspicious, but doesn't yet have enough evidence on which to arrest him. Season 5 could then be about finding that evidence (without Dexter knowing that he is being watched).
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Dr.Toejam
Dr.Toejam
2. RE: Season 5 prediction
Jun 14 2009, 8:51 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 14 2009, 8:51 PM EDT
"I think season 4 is too early for someone to find out about Dexter's secret, except possibly for Deb.

I mean - Lundy's job it to catch killers - it's hardly likely that he'd find out that Dexter was a killer and then do nothing with that information. If that happened, and Dexter found out that Lundy knew, I think he'd have to kill him. Or get Simmons to kill him - I don't know.

The other possibility is that someone (probably Lundy) witnesses Dexter abduct someone or stalk someone, and starts to get suspicious, but doesn't yet have enough evidence on which to arrest him. Season 5 could then be about finding that evidence (without Dexter knowing that he is being watched)."
I was just saying, it seems that would be the direction they would take the show, although you are completely correct, it is a little too early to be discussing this, I just got to thinking about it. Because in season 2, Lundy was sure that Dexter was the killer for the Bay Harbor case, he just never says anything.
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clairebbbear
clairebbbear
3. RE: Season 5 prediction
Jun 14 2009, 10:02 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 14 2009, 10:08 PM EDT
"Because in season 2, Lundy was sure that Dexter was the killer for the Bay Harbor case, he just never says anything."
I still don't know where you're getting this idea from.

I've watched season 2 like six times, and I don't even recall Lundy mentioning Dexter much. I think he talked about Dexter with Deb maybe twice - once when she was complaining about Lila and the other time when she was saying how Dexter was the golden child and not her.

Lundy also only really had two major conversations with Dexter - one in the field morgue and one when he interviewed Dexter about his cases.

Lundy COULD have become suspicious of Dexter based on his poor performance in the interview - Dexter worried that Lundy would start to suspect him as a result - but he didn't.

If Lundy had been suspicious, he's too good a detective to do nothing with that suspicion. He'd have been asking Deb more questions about Dexter's background, his adoption, what he was like growing up - but not in the way to make her suspicious as to why he was asking. After all, we know that the team made sure that they found the same information about Doakes' background before identifying him as a suspect.

I will agree that Lundy may not have been completely convinced that Doakes was their man, and maybe still isn't 100% convinced, but I don't think he ever specifically raised Dexter as an alternative suspect.
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Dr.Toejam
Dr.Toejam
4. RE: Season 5 prediction
Jun 14 2009, 11:09 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 14 2009, 11:09 PM EDT
"I still don't know where you're getting this idea from.

I've watched season 2 like six times, and I don't even recall Lundy mentioning Dexter much. I think he talked about Dexter with Deb maybe twice - once when she was complaining about Lila and the other time when she was saying how Dexter was the golden child and not her.

Lundy also only really had two major conversations with Dexter - one in the field morgue and one when he interviewed Dexter about his cases.

Lundy COULD have become suspicious of Dexter based on his poor performance in the interview - Dexter worried that Lundy would start to suspect him as a result - but he didn't.

If Lundy had been suspicious, he's too good a detective to do nothing with that suspicion. He'd have been asking Deb more questions about Dexter's background, his adoption, what he was like growing up - but not in the way to make her suspicious as to why he was asking. After all, we know that the team made sure that they found the same information about Doakes' background before identifying him as a suspect.

I will agree that Lundy may not have been completely convinced that Doakes was their man, and maybe still isn't 100% convinced, but I don't think he ever specifically raised Dexter as an alternative suspect. "
In the interview you could tell that Lundy knew Dex was full of crap, and he even calls him on it. Then on the last episode, when Lundy leaves, he even mentions he had a different suspect that wasn't Doakes. I was thinking that it could be a possibility that Deb could get back in a relationship with Lundy, and eventually Dex and Lundy ending up battling wits.
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clairebbbear
clairebbbear
5. RE: Season 5 prediction
Jun 14 2009, 11:49 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 14 2009, 11:49 PM EDT
"In the interview you could tell that Lundy knew Dex was full of crap, and he even calls him on it. Then on the last episode, when Lundy leaves, he even mentions he had a different suspect that wasn't Doakes. I was thinking that it could be a possibility that Deb could get back in a relationship with Lundy, and eventually Dex and Lundy ending up battling wits."
Yes, you could tell that Lundy thought Dexter was full of crap in the interview, but there's no evidence that Lundy went from thinking Dexter was full of crap to thinking that he should start suspecting him as the BHB.

Also, by that stage Lundy didn't know for sure that the killer worked for the PD - they didn't find that out until later in the episode. Once they did know that, it was Doakes' walking out of the interview, not Dexter's poor performance, that raised Lundy's suspicions. The team went and researched Doakes' background, not Dexter's (if they had, we would have heard about it in some way). So in other words, whatever Lundy thought about Dexter in the interview, it wasn't enough to raise suspicions, or they would have investigated him too.

And I don't know where you're getting the idea that Lundy mentions a different suspect before leaving. I just read the episode 12 transcrpt again. In the scene where he leaves - his last scene, where Deb comes into his apartment with the parka she's just bought - he doesn't even mention the case. The last time we see him talk about the case is earlier in that episode, when he tells Maria that the case is closed and that "all the evidence points to James Doakes as the killer, conclusively".

It's true that Lundy was prepared to look at Maria's evidence that could exonerate Doakes in episode 11, but that was more Lundy wanting to cross all the Ts and dot all the Is with the investigation. Again, he doesn't mention another suspect here.

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mike91848
mike91848
6. RE: Season 5 prediction
Jun 16 2009, 12:55 AM EDT | Post edited: Jun 16 2009, 12:55 AM EDT
""I just read the episode 12 transcrpt again""
Hi Cbbb,
Where do you find the transcripts?
Curious.
Thanks!
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clairebbbear
clairebbbear
7. RE: Season 5 prediction
Jun 16 2009, 1:58 AM EDT | Post edited: Jun 16 2009, 1:58 AM EDT
"Hi Cbbb,
Where do you find the transcripts?
Curious.
Thanks!
"
From Television Without Pity. They're recaps actually - but they're so detailed they're almost transcripts.

Here's the one for Season 2 Episode 12:
http://www.televisionwithoutpity.com/show/dexter/the_british_invasion.php
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mike91848
mike91848
8. RE: Season 5 prediction
Jun 16 2009, 9:23 AM EDT | Post edited: Jun 16 2009, 9:23 AM EDT
"From Television Without Pity. They're recaps actually - but they're so detailed they're almost transcripts.

Here's the one for Season 2 Episode 12:
http://www.televisionwithoutpity.com/show/dexter/the_british_invasion.php "
Thanks!
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mike91848
mike91848
9. RE: Season 5 prediction
Jun 16 2009, 4:18 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 17 2009, 3:45 PM EDT
MCH has stated that he would like the writers to consider the end game for the series. I would imagine with that in mind the writers could go from S4 to S5 with something in mind so the last season (unless Dexter is signed on again!?) could move in that direction with the tension building all the way.

It would be a let down to just have the show end with a surprise twist in the last act. The cat and mouse game approach and the season long story line approach have worked well for Dexter. I really hope the writers think this through and give us options via hints as to how the show will conclude as S5 unfolds.

A twist to Dexter being the one getting caught could be that he witnesses something during one of his hunts and the FBI or ??? sees him and asks him to testify and then the “Morgan’s” get into the witness protection program.

The last scene could be Dexter in a new city opening up the morning newspaper reading the headlines, “Crime Rate on the Rise!”, with Dexter giving us a smirk…………..
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mutemonster
10. RE: Season 5 prediction
Jun 17 2009, 12:55 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 17 2009, 12:55 PM EDT
I would like to see at least half a season of Dexter in prison,see how he survives,look at his alliances,he could get out on a technicality with no police job to investigate killers, how will he feed his craving how would he be as a broken man, i dont think he can be martyred as a hero in the end he has got to be showen as a cold blooded killer for final message.Only way we could accept it when hes finally taken down. Do you find this valuable?    
mike91848
mike91848
11. RE: Season 5 prediction
Jun 17 2009, 3:49 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 17 2009, 3:57 PM EDT
"I would like to see at least half a season of Dexter in prison,see how he survives,look at his alliances,he could get out on a technicality with no police job to investigate killers, how will he feed his craving how would he be as a broken man, i dont think he can be martyred as a hero in the end he has got to be showen as a cold blooded killer for final message.Only way we could accept it when hes finally taken down."
Good points. Another ending could be Dexter getting killed in the line of duty somehow...???... then his background comes out when Rita and Deb go through his personal stuff and find his tools and his slides.

The last part of S5 could be the hurt and anger from all of the family and the MMPD with flash backs.
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Dr.Toejam
Dr.Toejam
12. RE: Season 5 prediction
Jun 17 2009, 4:28 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 17 2009, 4:28 PM EDT
"I would like to see at least half a season of Dexter in prison,see how he survives,look at his alliances,he could get out on a technicality with no police job to investigate killers, how will he feed his craving how would he be as a broken man, i dont think he can be martyred as a hero in the end he has got to be showen as a cold blooded killer for final message.Only way we could accept it when hes finally taken down."
I HAD THE SAME FEELING!
Except it was a little different, like Dexter comes closer than ever to being caught for some reason, so then he has like a dream or epiphany or something, to where he is in jail and stuff and realizes he needs to be more careful cause if he is ever to get caught, alot of people will be hurt. (Deb, Rita, the kids, co-workers, ect.)
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clairebbbear
clairebbbear
13. RE: Season 5 prediction
Jun 17 2009, 9:19 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 17 2009, 9:23 PM EDT
"I would like to see at least half a season of Dexter in prison,see how he survives,look at his alliances,he could get out on a technicality with no police job to investigate killers, how will he feed his craving how would he be as a broken man, i dont think he can be martyred as a hero in the end he has got to be showen as a cold blooded killer for final message.Only way we could accept it when hes finally taken down."
I think that would be cool too - just so long as it doesn't turn people off like the prison storyline did in My Name is Earl (I wish that show hadn't got axed - boooo!)

Maybe he could get arrested for something non serial-killer related, or maybe even wrongly convicted, so Rita and Deb would still be sympathetic to him and people wouldn't know his full secret?

Just imagine him in prison though. A whole smorgasbord of potential targets all lined up, and the knowledge that a lot of prison kills never get proven. I don't think he'd be able to help himself.

Going to prison for something unrelated might also affect what ultimately happens to Dexter. He might decide that life in prison (at best) or 10 years on death row isn't worth it, and he'd rather let himself be killed rather than face that. Alternatively, he could really enjoy having access to all those victims and think it was some kind of picnic, and no longer worry about getting caught.
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Dr.Toejam
Dr.Toejam
14. RE: Season 5 prediction
Jun 17 2009, 10:37 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 17 2009, 10:37 PM EDT
"I think that would be cool too - just so long as it doesn't turn people off like the prison storyline did in My Name is Earl (I wish that show hadn't got axed - boooo!)

Maybe he could get arrested for something non serial-killer related, or maybe even wrongly convicted, so Rita and Deb would still be sympathetic to him and people wouldn't know his full secret?

Just imagine him in prison though. A whole smorgasbord of potential targets all lined up, and the knowledge that a lot of prison kills never get proven. I don't think he'd be able to help himself.

Going to prison for something unrelated might also affect what ultimately happens to Dexter. He might decide that life in prison (at best) or 10 years on death row isn't worth it, and he'd rather let himself be killed rather than face that. Alternatively, he could really enjoy having access to all those victims and think it was some kind of picnic, and no longer worry about getting caught."
That would be awesome too, but can't you still get in trouble for killing someone in prison?
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clairebbbear
clairebbbear
15. RE: Season 5 prediction
Jun 18 2009, 12:10 AM EDT | Post edited: Jun 18 2009, 12:10 AM EDT
"That would be awesome too, but can't you still get in trouble for killing someone in prison?"
Sure - but only if you get caught - and prisoner code says you don't 'rat' on fellow inmates. Ever watched Oz?

The inmate code of silence combined with Dexter's efficient kill methods - he could have an absolute field day. And there'd be many potential suspects other than him.
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Dr.Toejam
Dr.Toejam
16. RE: Season 5 prediction
Jun 18 2009, 6:45 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 18 2009, 6:45 PM EDT
"Sure - but only if you get caught - and prisoner code says you don't 'rat' on fellow inmates. Ever watched Oz?

The inmate code of silence combined with Dexter's efficient kill methods - he could have an absolute field day. And there'd be many potential suspects other than him.
"
I can't wait for season 4, I think that the season will lead up to season 5 being spectacular.
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mike91848
mike91848
17. RE: Season 5 prediction
Jun 18 2009, 9:19 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 18 2009, 9:19 PM EDT
"I can't wait for season 4, I think that the season will lead up to season 5 being spectacular."
I agree!
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mike91848
mike91848
18. RE: Season 5 prediction
Jun 20 2009, 3:43 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 20 2009, 3:43 PM EDT
If Season 4 ends in a disaster, say Rita and the 3 kids are killed, then S5 could be a "Dexter Goes Bonkers" season with mistakes and eventually leading to him being caught or maybe getting killed. Dexter has shown us that he can be provoked.

I personally don't want Rita or the kids to be out of the show but it may take something like that to set up S5 to establish the end game for the series.
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Dr.Toejam
Dr.Toejam
19. RE: Season 5 prediction
Jun 20 2009, 5:06 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 20 2009, 5:06 PM EDT
"If Season 4 ends in a disaster, say Rita and the 3 kids are killed, then S5 could be a "Dexter Goes Bonkers" season with mistakes and eventually leading to him being caught or maybe getting killed. Dexter has shown us that he can be provoked.

I personally don't want Rita or the kids to be out of the show but it may take something like that to set up S5 to establish the end game for the series.
"
Yeah, I think when the series is over one of two things is going to happen.
1. Dexter gets caught, goes to jail/executed/killed
or
2. Dexter becomes fully human and/or decides to live a normal life and put up the knife
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