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fortythree	What motivates the Trinity Killer? Oct 20 2009, 12:49 PM EDT I get the feeling that TK is re-enacting something that happened to him, but what? Was his sister murdered in a bathtub? And then his mother subsequently committed suicide by jumping? And then his father provoked him regarding his sexuality until he finally beat the old man to death? I really hope we find out at some point. Maybe they need to go back in police records even further to see if other incidents took place at those locations. I'm interested in what others think about this. Post reply Do you find this valuable? Keyword tags: c hall michael dexter dexter predictions dexter season 4 dexter season 4 predictions dexter tv show hall michael showtime dexter
sbyerley	1. RE: What motivates the Trinity Killer? Oct 20 2009, 5:00 PM EDT Yep, that was my feeling too: TK is re-living life with an alcholic, abusive father - his sister committed suicide/murdered because of it, his mother was definitely provoked to suicide by threats to her children (mother of 2), and the need to be humiliated by a drunk father figure before the beathing death of a man. Lundy killed, Deb shot because Lundy was too close for comfort and TK would make it look like the VM instead. Soon, TK will trace Deb as a cop and Dex as her brother and the fun will begin. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
arterial-splatter	2. RE: What motivates the Trinity Killer? Oct 20 2009, 7:58 PM EDT When the label 'Trinity' was first introduced I initially thought that we were in for another religiously motivated killer bent on retribution, however as this series has developed it seems that a religious component is unlikely...thank god for that. In my opinion, yes Trinity is motivated by family and some kind of tragic/traumatic event, series of events or accidents from when he was an child/teenager. I think his mother and sister killed themselves, His sister in the bath and the mother who jumped to her death. I support this by the site of the laceration on the thigh or to be medical the femoral artery, this trauma is more common in suicides than in homicides as the perp generally would need to get closer than desired (unless rape is on the menu) to the victim, It wouldn't be easy to get the victim into a position where you could inflict that kind of trauma without having the opportunity to kill them in a much easier way prior to that, it would be a hard artery to severe quickly and efficiently whilst achieving a fluid and fast flow that could cause death by blood loss without compromising the objective of creating a scene consistent with suicide. Basically someone would only inflict that kind of injury (as the cause of death) if it had some kind of special purpose or of course to make it look like a suicide which we all know there are much easier ways to achieve a mock suicide. So I think that it is likely She killed herself and Walter was very upset by this. I think that the mother also killed herself,I cant be bothered going into expansive detail but the giveaway was when Walter refused to push her and said 'it doesn't work that way' implying that the original death that this is reminiscent of was also a suicide, Walter called the body 'mommy' and looked as though he had discovered his dead mother. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
arterial-splatter	3. RE: What motivates the Trinity Killer? Oct 20 2009, 8:19 PM EDT It seems that so much of Trinity's actions and scenes give away so much about the character, in a strange, mysterious fragmented way. In the last episode when Walter deliberately got beaten up I considered the possibility that he was attempting to seriously injure himself in order to add to his 'illusion', it kind of makes sense that he would get himself beaten up and maybe file an assault report so if he ever became a suspect in the killings and was accused of being a highly intelligent, resourceful and dangerous killer he could say 'well I'm just an old man who got beaten up, if I couldnt defend myself then, how could I commit the crimes etc' or something along those lines, Im painting a very subjective portrait I know but its hard to explain. However the way I feel now is that he was re enacting being beaten my his father, the phrases '**, *, **' are all things Walter's father yelled at him while giving him a drunken beating. The **** referance could imply that Walter could be gay, which has crossed my mind. Although he tends to dry hump his female victims. The give away in the fight scene though was when Walter said 'Its all your fault" he was saying this in the perspective of either himself or his father, blaming someone (himself or his father) for something terrible, the suicides of a mother and daughter perhaps?? Post reply Do you find this valuable?
fortythree	4. RE: What motivates the Trinity Killer? Oct 20 2009, 9:58 PM EDT Abusive people do tend to blame the other person - as in, I'm only doing this because you are such a *****. I did get the sense that his father abused him. He could be gay or he might have had one of those kind of fathers who said things like that to a son who didn't meet the stereotypical image of what a boy should be. If he abused Walter, he might have abused the sister too. Perhaps during an incident of sexual abuse his father did take a straight razor and kill her while they were both in the bathtub. Ah, now I'm feeling a need to watch a few episodes again. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
arterial-splatter	5. RE: What motivates the Trinity Killer? Oct 21 2009, 7:25 PM EDT "If he abused Walter, he might have abused the sister too. Perhaps during an incident of sexual abuse his father did take a straight razor and kill her while they were both in the bathtub." Thats a good point. Attention has been drawn to the razor a couple of times, I wouldn't be surprised if the razor had a story behind it e.g. it belonged to the father. Walter possibly is a parody of his father, he is repeating his Fathers actions. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
TiffanyGEM	6. RE: What motivates the Trinity Killer? Nov 1 2009, 9:56 PM EST \| Post edited: Nov 1 2009, 9:56 PM EST Regaining control. Blood lust and the power gained by spilling it. Self-hatred. Righting a wrong, an injustice, in his own twisted and ritualistic ways. Doing so, without conscience, because empathy was taken away, by someone in his past. An overall wack-job. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
sbyerley	7. RE: What motivates the Trinity Killer? Nov 1 2009, 10:09 PM EST So - tonight's episode was revealing...Looks to me like it was not the abusive father but the loving - yes loving - brother that murdered his sister. His mother found out - but she was "convinced" to jump by - who - perhaps her loving son. And the father - well - he knew his son - too well - and the son's anger needed a release. I loved the ending of the episode tonight with Rita giving Dex the keys and saying "There's dangerous stuff in there." Yep, a good ending. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
lemaman	8. RE: What motivates the Trinity Killer? Nov 4 2009, 1:07 AM EST \| Post edited: Nov 4 2009, 1:07 AM EST I suspect there will be a twist. Perhaps an incestual issue discovered by young Walter and a twist to the killing of his sister (did he twist off at an early age after finding out about his sister and father/brother, hence killing her in tub with razor), only to subconsciously bury the murder and bring to light the positive side of the relationship? That's a stretch, but the writers are excellent, as I have said before. And a twist is always found on Dexter... Fast forward to present: Walter is completely dichotomous, oblivious and impervious to the misdeeds of the evil as well as the love of the righteous. His murderous side is his deep id surfacing, which he easily represses with his ego's Godly camoflage. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
sbyerley	9. RE: What motivates the Trinity Killer? Nov 4 2009, 4:50 PM EST \| Post edited: Nov 4 2009, 9:00 PM EST Ok - another angle: Arthur didn't love his sister at all - he wanted to BE his sister - he 's born into the wrong body thing - is really a female in a male body. That's the reason for being in the bathtub -With his sister- and - always Looking in the handmirror ---at Both of them together- imagining he IS his sister ! So he kills her -from jealousy, living reminder of what he wants to be? If Authur expressed his true self to his parents - what would happen? Naturally, if his mother finds out - that info may incite her to commit suicide. But Arthur's father may think he's gay and abuse him for it. So -Arthur fights back and kills him. Now Arthur is alone, but still can't express his "real self" - so he internalizes it - and it comes out in the serial killer way. He learns to hide in a relationship - JUST LIKE HIS FAMILY. He BOTH recreates his family - and recreates their murders. So let's say he wasn't a deacon yet, some other business. He marries - maybe had kids, but then something happens - maybe wife #1 finds out something and he's forced to kill her - about 15 years ago! Remember - this is Arthurs' SECOND marriage (he mentioned it briefly to Dex. ) AND maybe everything - moving back to Miami - and the ages of the kids, etc. are JUST LIKE HIS FAMILY - and he's planning to kill them too! Or have his son kill him? How twisted can it be? What do you think? Post reply Do you find this valuable?
TiffanyGEM	10. RE: What motivates the Trinity Killer? Nov 4 2009, 6:24 PM EST \| Post edited: Nov 4 2009, 6:24 PM EST The alcoholic, pervert, father was molesting the daughter. She killed herself. Then mommy found out. Killed herself. When their son (Trinity) learned the truth, he killed dear ol' daddio. Suicide #1. Suicide #2. Murder #3. TRIFECTA. My husband's theory. I'm on the fence...but teetering in his direction. It's definitely sound. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
fortythree	11. RE: What motivates the Trinity Killer? Nov 4 2009, 8:37 PM EST \| Post edited: Nov 4 2009, 8:37 PM EST Thanks for mentioning the first marriage. I TOTALLY missed that when I was watching the show. It was just buried in the general conversation. There has to be something there that will be interesting though. Overall, I've felt a bit frustrated by this because I sensed what was coming. Of course, we haven't been told every detail yet. For all we know, the original Walter Mitchell of the newspaper articles fascinated TK to a point where he killed HIM in order to assume his identity and live his life righting this wrong over and over again. Ah, no, there are the ashes that prove genetic relationship. Either I've just been watching too many cop & killer shows or this is falling into a pattern. I still think the name Trinity holds more than we realize at this point. Some religious connotation. Perhaps something to do with the bomb dropped in Japan at the end of WW II; the testing site was called Trinity. Funny how both Dex and TK ended up with nicknames that other people gave them. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
jwnelson11	12. RE: What motivates the Trinity Killer? Nov 6 2009, 8:38 PM EST \| Post edited: Nov 6 2009, 8:38 PM EST I am seeing Arthur in a different light.. I was trying to compare him to Dexter and see how far I can go. But It is sort like Peas to carrots... dexter after all is doing his killing for the good of mankind, by elimination of the bad guys really bad guys, and TL is doing it for personal reasons. He is killing family people, or mo bedda explained as people with families, and they may have thier problems as family members they still have active families, and are a needed part of the familky it is like TK wants to cause a problem for these families. While Dexster is taking out people that for the most part are not missed, they are bad people and have no real contacts with good decent people. I am not saying they deserve to die But if someone needs to be killed it looks like he choses the ones that will only be missed by the court system and or bounty hunters. They are not even close in comparison there. Motivation of TK? I am not sure we have enough information. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
fortythree	13. RE: What motivates the Trinity Killer? Nov 11 2009, 6:54 PM EST With the revelation in Slack Tide of the honor which he gives to his sister, she must in some way motivate him. Her ashes are in a place of honor. His parents don't seem to be around. He is, as some said above, very different from Dexter. Dex had Harry mold and shape him, but TK is a more "normal" serial killer. He suffered a severe trauma and he's re-enacting it for some reason, as if he needs the ritual or it will somehow resolve something. I think on one level he hates it - what happened when he was young, what he does - and that is the reason for his "regular life" being so virtuous. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
sbyerley	14. RE: What motivates the Trinity Killer? Nov 11 2009, 9:35 PM EST Whose coffin is it? One that requires perfection, that Arthur is Driven to make completely by hand with the utmost attention to detail. It's not for Sister - she's in the urn. Mommy, Daddy? Or someone new? Is it for some other family member? Some next part of the ritual - thus far undiscovered? For himself? For Dex who reminds him of himself? Post reply Do you find this valuable?
jwnelson11	15. RE: What motivates the Trinity Killer? Nov 12 2009, 12:07 AM EST \| Post edited: Nov 12 2009, 12:09 AM EST "With the revelation in Slack Tide of the honor which he gives to his sister, she must in some way motivate him. Her ashes are in a place of honor. His parents don't ....... He is, as some said above, very different from Dexter. Dex had Harry mold and shape him, but TK is a more "normal" serial killer. He suffered a severe trauma and he's re-enacting it for some reason, as if he needs the ritual or it will somehow resolve something. I think on one level he hates it - what happened when he was young, what he does - and that is the reason for his "regular life" being so virtuous." I really like your post it has a lot of questions You classify TK as a more normal Serial Killer. I wonder if that may need soem clarification. I can not see him as 'more Normal' , than Dexter. The way he flips out and is so abrassive toward others ie; The waitress and the Denver Omlette, and his strange conversation with the Hardware clerk. His need for punishment ie: the hot/cold showers, and the need to be beaten up by a stranger. If you mean more noram as in more Psychotic I agree he is more normal in that his Sociopathy is showing much more than Dexters. While Dexter is a sort of Normal guy that no one would ever suspect of being what he is. So yes I agree He is a more normal SK, while Dexter is a More normal person. The Ashes - I wonder if he has already used thoses ashes up as he has been doing this for 30 years, and when he is finished with his sisters ashes he may be done?? or Maybe Sister meant more to hiom than his folks and this is why she is there. I really think he is doing all of this for her. This is why her ashes are there, as a shrine to her, or a symbol for her. She may have committed suicide and it may have been because of the parents. For that fact he may have killed his folks because of his sister. Liek you say it would be nice to know what pushed him over the top and started his rampage. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
jwnelson11	16. RE: What motivates the Trinity Killer? Nov 12 2009, 12:17 AM EST "Whose coffin is it? One that requires perfection, that Arthur is Driven to make completely by hand with the utmost attention to detail. It's not for Sister - she's in the urn. Mommy, Daddy? Or someone new? Is it for some other family member? Some next part of the ritual - thus far undiscovered? For himself? For Dex who reminds him of himself? " I have wondered if he is sick, and if this is his own coffin? If he were sick and dying it my explain why he is doing the killing now. I also wonder if his wife is sick and dying, I just have a gut feeling that she may be. The way he is so nice to her and he seemed to say something at the bathtub scene with her. There was something that was sort of symbolic in that scene. I can not really explainit just again a gut feeling that he was doing something for her at that time. ( I am sure I am over reading it but like I said a gut feeling that something is going on with in his family that we do not have all of the info about. The coffin was/is for one of them. At first I thought is was for Dexter but if so then why would he go to such extreme to hand craft the coffin for him. But I am not sure who it is for. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
sbyerley	17. RE: What motivates the Trinity Killer? Nov 12 2009, 2:09 PM EST "I have wondered if he is sick, and if this is his own coffin? If he were sick and dying it my explain why he is doing the killing now. " You know you may be right...if he is terminally ill - it would explain the coffin for himself. And why he went back home - returning home to die. Doing One Last Trinity Cycle. And in the teaser - pouring some of his sister's ashes off of the house HE is building, before jumping off himself. Hmmm... Of course Dex, pushes and then grabs his hand so he won't fall to his death. Interesting - the next episode should be revealing! Post reply Do you find this valuable?
pyro40404	18. RE: What motivates the Trinity Killer? Tuesday, 3:23 AM EST \| Post edited: Tuesday, 3:23 AM EST "You know you may be right...if he is terminally ill - it would explain the coffin for himself. And why he went back home - returning home to die. Doing One Last Trinity Cycle. And in the teaser - pouring some of his sister's ashes off of the house HE is building, before jumping off himself. Hmmm... Of course Dex, pushes and then grabs his hand so he won't fall to his death. Interesting - the next episode should be revealing!" trinity is interesting in his forementioned dual nature. My take on that is that he repeats the cycles to punish himself because he feels responsible for his mother and sister's death. And that the other 90% of him is contantly trying to compensate for his murders with religion and charity. At the heart of it all if his family hadn't died tragicly would he be a decent guy? For that matter what about dexter? Would love to hear some thoughts. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
jwnelson11	19. RE: What motivates the Trinity Killer? Tuesday, 5:07 PM EST \| Post edited: Tuesday, 5:07 PM EST ........compensate for his murders with religion and charity. ........At the heart of it all if his family hadn't died tragicly would he be a decent guy? ........For that matter what about dexter? Would love to hear some thoughts. Well my thoughts, For what they are worth. Is that I do believe that if thier families had not died tragicly or more importantly If they had not witnessed the deaths they both may have done alright. Been Good guys etc. But they were involved with the death of thier family members and this is what changed them. Harry was Dex's mentor and he at least had a goal in mind to rid the world of bad guys while Trinity was just a nut case. But I also feel there is much more to Trinity than what we have seen so far. There is more layers to that Onion. I think he was instumental in the deaths of the sister, or even if it plays out like it has been said if he was not with her then at least with his Dad. I am sure he was the one that bludgeoned him to death. Maybe the mom was part of his either witnessing or his doing also. Trinity may have gone over to the Dark Side by what he saw But I think He had a Dark side before that. If he is so sadistic to break his sons finger while holding his hand then what else is he capible of ?? He has beaten his wife and his daughter is frightened of her. His son is somewhat detatched and unrealistic with his comments abotu how wonderful everything is. I am sure Arthur is a very awful person and even if he had not been in the situation he was in he may have been that bad. While Dexter was a witness to his mothers dismemberment and sitting in her blood for so many days he had a reason to become sort of wharped. Post reply Do you find this valuable?

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