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stygian	My Own Dark Passenger Oct 28 2007, 6:58 PM EDT It is very true that much--if not all--of humanity has a dark side. But the way each individual deals with it shows them as either virtuous or not. I have one that I try not to think about, but I don't tamp it down and try to pretend it doesn't exist. Many do. That is why we have so much real horror in the world! "We are not alone," most definitely! When you try to keep a lid on a boiling poy, it eventoually overflows and injures anyone near. Keeping the top loose releases the most pressure and saves a lot of pain. All in all, though, I don't think I could bring myself to convict Dexter if I were on a jury--if it is considered vigilante justice, so be it! ( And just think of all the money he's saved the state for trials and food and housing for these criminals! Taxpayers should be ecstatic!) It is surer and swifter than the courts of our land! Post reply 11 out of 12 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you? Keyword tags: None
blitheringidiot	2. RE: My Own Dark Passenger Nov 10 2007, 8:25 PM EST Let's stop glorifying the "dark passenger" inside us all. The world would not be a better place if Dexter existed IRL. The Rule of Law. That's the difference between America (er...used to be, pre-Bush) and ...never mind. our own elected officials have decided to overturn the rule of law and let homeland security and cia operatives make "educated guesses" about who might be guilty....kidnap, torture, and ruin their lives. tis government the way it's known in other countries. vigilantism is a huge problem world wide and throughout history that CIVILIZATION and LAW have tried to erradicate for good reason. the conceit of this show is that Dexter KNOWS for sure that these creeps are, for sure, murderers and deserve to die. (presuming that you believe that murderers should be killed for the good of society.) IRL, things are RARELY that clearcut. vigilantes frequently make mistakes. who should be making the decision on who should die, judges or psychopaths who would LOVE to have someone to "play" with this weekend? Post reply 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
blitheringidiot	3. RE: My Own Dark Passenger Nov 10 2007, 8:42 PM EST kililng pedophiles, hm? in the english tv show "Jeykyll", the writers opine that the first time some people realize that they could kill, if need be, is when they become parents. the instincts pop up, fangs and talons gleaming, in protection of their young. wanting to get rid of dangers to one's children is natural. killing...actually killing them yourself, however, requires overcoming taboos set in your psyche for your own protection. this is why we have people who deliver shrink wrapped steak and chicken, or better yet, precooked fast food, to our local Safeway so we don't have to kill animals. his is why hunters are seen by nonhunters as a tad odd and distasteful, because they CHOOSE to kill, glorify and delight in it. how one feels and how one chooses to act aren't the same thing, as dexter was told by lila. as stated before, you can CHOOSE to act on your dark side or not. the downside to "virtuous" killings, is that you become a killer. debased. spirit defiled. polluted. exiled, like Dexter, to the butcher's caste. Separate, forever, from the rest of humanity. think about the hesitation people have about interacting with those who work with the dead...the blameless people like funeral home employees and autopsy personnel. they've always, historically, been of the lowest possible caste. now you're the executioner...how would people react to you? Post reply 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
blitheringidiot	4. RE: My Own Dark Passenger Nov 10 2007, 8:45 PM EST I need to say that.... I could have been a killer myself, under the right conditions. I'm glad I'm not. I know vividly that presence in the back of my own cave, as shrinks call it. When i lived in South Africa, 10,000 people were slaughtered in the transition to majority rule by Nationalist funded Inkatha terrorists. My secretary showed up shaking...her daughter had been standing at a busstop as it had been hit by gunfire. she had to sort through dozens of dead and dying bodies looking for her child, to find that she'd got safely on the bus which drove off seconds before the attack. Women were raped outside my window. I started to have dreams at night of killing "bad guys". I had fantasies while awake of how i'd decide who was bad and how to kill them. I was affected by what was happening around me. Trauma caused Dexter's condition. But he didn't HAVE to act on his compulsions. Harry should have taken him to a shrink rather than training him to be a weapon. Post reply 1 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
target33	5. RE: My Own Dark Passenger Nov 11 2007, 1:25 AM EST I will think about what you said and post you tomorrow.I'm truly sorry for what you had to witness. But as for people reacting to me as an executioner... I could care less. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Quasior	6. RE: My Own Dark Passenger Oct 12 2008, 4:48 AM EDT "kililng pedophiles, hm? in the english tv show "Jeykyll", the writers opine that the first time some people realize that they could kill, if need be, is when they become parents. the instincts pop up, fangs and talons gleaming, in protection of their young. wanting to get rid of dangers to one's children is natural. killing...actually killing them yourself, however, requires overcoming taboos set in your psyche for your own protection. this is why we have people who deliver shrink wrapped steak and chicken, or better yet, precooked fast food, to our local Safeway so we don't have to kill animals. his is why hunters are seen by nonhunters as a tad odd and distasteful, because they CHOOSE to kill, glorify and delight in it. how one feels and how one chooses to act aren't the same thing, as dexter was told by lila. as stated before, you can CHOOSE to act on your dark side or not. the downside to "virtuous" killings, is that you become a killer. debased. spirit defiled. polluted. exiled, like Dexter, to the butcher's caste. Separate, forever, from the rest of humanity. think about the hesitation people have about interacting with those who work with the dead...the blameless people like funeral home employees and autopsy personnel. they've always, historically, been of the lowest possible caste. now you're the executioner...how would people react to you? " No, sorry I find this train of thought a bit off. Let me get this right. hunters fishermen butchers and those who deal with our dead are what? very least distasteful ... lowest caste? Very much not how it is seen by a great many cultures (and present day). Death in many western cultures is seen as a thing to avoid, but the Mexican's they celebrate it, there are more but I can't think off hand. I don't like the way Death is percieved by our society. It's not a dirty thing. It is as natural as being born - yes, it has tags attached but it doesn't mean it is a bad thing. I don't like how we treat our dead either. Buried in a box. This is not very environmentally friendly. Personally I'd prefer an air burial, or to be eaten by carrion eaters so I can be a part of a greater whole after death. As for willfully taking life, well that is debatable too. Soldiers take life. Certain states in America still have the death penalty don't they? People defend themselves/others/their loved ones and are considered heroes. There is also the fact that we believe killing is wrong in nearly every circumstance, but it still goes on, fairly frequently. Are we to wait for the state to catch up with these people? IF they catch up with these people. Not condoning killing people for fun or for some screwed up reasons or lack of empathy. I'm just pointing out that there may be acceptable reasons to kill, that death is OK and we should question our society and why our society places such extreme taboos on death and everything else is up for questioning too. Just because such things are taboo doesn't mean they can't be debated! I would hope I could kill to defend my children though I am not a killer and I don't ever wish to be. On the other side, I wouldn't object to someone filling this kind of role. I know that is contraversial! Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
spya	7. RE: My Own Dark Passenger Oct 12 2008, 1:20 PM EDT "No, sorry I find this train of thought a bit off. Let me get this right. hunters fishermen butchers and those who deal with our dead are what? very least distasteful ... lowest caste? Very much not how it is seen by a great many cultures (and present day). Death in many western cultures is seen as a thing to avoid, but the Mexican's they celebrate it, there are more but I can't think off hand. I don't like the way Death is percieved by our society. It's not a dirty thing. It is as natural as being born - yes, it has tags attached but it doesn't mean it is a bad thing. I don't like how we treat our dead either. Buried in a box. This is not very environmentally friendly. Personally I'd prefer an air burial, or to be eaten by carrion eaters so I can be a part of a greater whole after death. As for willfully taking life, well that is debatable too. Soldiers take life. Certain states in America still have the death penalty don't they? People defend themselves/others/their loved ones and are considered heroes. There is also the fact that we believe killing is wrong in nearly every circumstance, but it still goes on, fairly frequently. Are we to wait for the state to catch up with these people? IF they catch up with these people. Not condoning killing people for fun or for some screwed up reasons or lack of empathy. I'm just pointing out that there may be acceptable reasons to kill, that death is OK and we should question our society and why our society places such extreme taboos on death and everything else is up for questioning too. Just because such things are taboo doesn't mean they can't be debated! I would hope I could kill to defend my children though I am not a killer and I don't ever wish to be. On the other side, I wouldn't object to someone filling this kind of role. I know that is contraversial!" Weelll! I gotta say that I agree with you. Unfortunately, there are alot of things in this world that are not very pleasant and not talking about them or pretending they don't happen does not make them go away. Lets face it, though. This world is not as it was once was and I for one, morbid as it may seem, honestly do not see myself standing by while my loved ones were being attacked. But, as you, I don't go out just looking to kill someone because the moon is right. And, controversial as it may seem to others, I also would not object to someone filling these shoes. There are people soooooo evil in this world that they NEED to go away, and if confronted by them, I WOULD MAKE THEM! and, blitheringidiot, lets not forget that Dexter does not go around raping women under windows, nor does he randomly strike bus stops. What he does to me is rid the city of its most heinous trash. And, he finds the ones who are the worst of the bunch. Seems like if he were on the other side of the law, he would get his detective shield before Deb. Post reply 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
K9tblaze911	8. RE: My Own Dark Passenger Oct 12 2008, 6:35 PM EDT "It is very true that much--if not all--of humanity has a dark side. But the way each individual deals with it shows them as either virtuous or not. I have one that I try not to think about, but I don't tamp it down and try to pretend it doesn't exist. Many do. That is why we have so much real horror in the world! "We are not alone," most definitely! When you try to keep a lid on a boiling poy, it eventoually overflows and injures anyone near. Keeping the top loose releases the most pressure and saves a lot of pain. All in all, though, I don't think I could bring myself to convict Dexter if I were on a jury--if it is considered vigilante justice, so be it! ( And just think of all the money he's saved the state for trials and food and housing for these criminals! Taxpayers should be ecstatic!) It is surer and swifter than the courts of our land!" You are so right. I agree completely. All of us have a dark passenger, most keep a lid on it. Those of us that don't sometimes end up on death row, so what's the difference..??? Killing people that kill people. I'm with Dexter, save time and money. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
C6midnight	9. RE: My Own Dark Passenger Jun 1 2009, 4:56 PM EDT \| Post edited: Jun 1 2009, 5:02 PM EDT This post is in response to blitheringidiot's post: "When i lived in South Africa, 10,000 people were slaughtered in the transition to majority rule by Nationalist funded Inkatha terrorists. My secretary showed up shaking...her daughter had been standing at a busstop as it had been hit by gunfire. she had to sort through dozens of dead and dying bodies looking for her child, to find that she'd got safely on the bus which drove off seconds before the attack. Women were raped outside my window. I started to have dreams at night of killing "bad guys". I had fantasies while awake of how i'd decide who was bad and how to kill them. I was affected by what was happening around me." I am truly sorry for what you and your secretary faced. War is a horror and hatred its child. In my estimation hatred is the dark passenger afflicting those who were put through unspeakable trauma. I found in life the only way to be free of hatred is through facing the trauma and all the feelings it engendered, then forgiving the people to committed the crimes. That last part is truly hard and can be a dance taking a lifetime. Post reply Do you find this valuable?