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Morgaine	81. RE: SPOILER- DOAKES KILLS DEXTER AT END OF SEASON Nov 28 2007, 10:20 PM EST "what if Lila sets the cabin on fire with doakes still in it? She the uses Angel asan alibi, and only dexter knows, and Lila knows the truth!" That's freaking BRILLIANT! Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Morgaine	82. RE: SPOILER- DOAKES KILLS DEXTER AT END OF SEASON Nov 28 2007, 10:25 PM EST "<<<Dex will HAVE to change the MO of his killings. >>> not only does he have to change the mo because it links him to previous murder, he needs to change it because the dismemberment (his fetish) is what really repells people. that is the thing that demonstrates that he glories in the kills, instead of just acting as a reluctant but determined executioner taking out the trash for the good of humanity. as deb said earlier in the season, no, he doesn't cut them up for easy disposal...he cuts them up because it's fun. he enjoys it. people forgive and even admire him for taking out the trash...our society by and large has not rejected the death penalty. it's the dismemberment that causes the revulsion, and that's the thing he craves. justice is just a relatively inconsequential side effect." I disagree - they can't change that about Dexter. He's got to dismember people, he just can't keep the same kind of trophies, and he can't have a set dumping ground like that. It's got to be Gulf Stream all the way. If he stops dismembering people, the character is over. It's the essential part of why he has to kill. Post reply 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
postmidnight	83. RE: SPOILER- DOAKES KILLS DEXTER AT END OF SEASON Nov 29 2007, 2:01 AM EST maybe this shows that i spend TOO much time thinking about dexter, and/or thinking like a serial killer, but i think i know how dex gets out of this sticky wicket... 1. doakes is already the prime suspect 2. doakes is known to be former black ops - a snatch and grab under the fbi's nose is entirely within reason 3. doakes is now at the site of dex's last kill.... accepting all of this as fact, if i were dex, i'd - 1. make a phone call to Miami PD for help, as though doakes were chasing me 2. mention the boat, maybe the gps, then end the call with a gunshot 3. drug doakes with the same stuff he always uses 4. put doakes' grubby hands all over the tools of my trade and the bags outside 5. finally, lock myself in cage and await rescue... i'd claim doakes snatched me, took me to my boat and dragged me off with the intention of framing me - when i tried to run he shot me, but didn't kill me so i could take the fall... it works - doesn't violate the code, fits lundy's profile, fits doakes' behavior. it ties everything up in a neat little bow, except for one stray lila - but that's why there are 3 eps left. ; ) Post reply 2 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
Morgaine	84. RE: SPOILER- DOAKES KILLS DEXTER AT END OF SEASON Nov 29 2007, 2:33 AM EST Nicely done! Bravo! Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Luna_1965	85. RE: SPOILER- DOAKES KILLS DEXTER AT END OF SEASON Nov 29 2007, 8:01 AM EST "maybe this shows that i spend TOO much time thinking about dexter, and/or thinking like a serial killer, but i think i know how dex gets out of this sticky wicket... 1. doakes is already the prime suspect 2. doakes is known to be former black ops - a snatch and grab under the fbi's nose is entirely within reason 3. doakes is now at the site of dex's last kill.... accepting all of this as fact, if i were dex, i'd - 1. make a phone call to Miami PD for help, as though doakes were chasing me 2. mention the boat, maybe the gps, then end the call with a gunshot 3. drug doakes with the same stuff he always uses 4. put doakes' grubby hands all over the tools of my trade and the bags outside 5. finally, lock myself in cage and await rescue... i'd claim doakes snatched me, took me to my boat and dragged me off with the intention of framing me - when i tried to run he shot me, but didn't kill me so i could take the fall... it works - doesn't violate the code, fits lundy's profile, fits doakes' behavior. it ties everything up in a neat little bow, except for one stray lila - but that's why there are 3 eps left. ; )" AH! Brilliant! But how do you explain the glass from Dex's window being INSIDE of the bathroom? Those sorts of window panes have to be removed from the inside and that is what Dex did when he left his apt. Do you think "they" will just hope that no one remembers? I think it was too obvious when he carefully removed each pane of glass...??? Otherwise, brilliant scenario! Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Luna_1965	86. RE: SPOILER- DOAKES KILLS DEXTER AT END OF SEASON Nov 29 2007, 1:59 PM EST "AH! Brilliant! But how do you explain the glass from Dex's window being INSIDE of the bathroom? Those sorts of window panes have to be removed from the inside and that is what Dex did when he left his apt. Do you think "they" will just hope that no one remembers? I think it was too obvious when he carefully removed each pane of glass...??? Otherwise, brilliant scenario!" Ok, so I'm a bit compulsive! I just had a thought...the FBI dude checked the apartment out BEFORE Dex went in and snuck out of the window...but I do suppose he might not have checked EVERYWHERE...perhaps your scenario would work with that in mind...but than that damned window again...how do 2 men get out of a window if one of them is "kidnapping" the other??? Hmmmm.back to the drawing board...I need a life! :) Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
postmidnight	87. RE: SPOILER- DOAKES KILLS DEXTER AT END OF SEASON Nov 29 2007, 2:21 PM EST perhaps dex could explain the window by stating he just needed to gte away from the pressure & scrutiny.. not wanting to live in fear... besides, if doakes drugged dex the way dex drugs his vics, then doakes snatching dear dexter from his apt. is still plausible.. after all, i'm certain the good sergeant has done worse and more complex in his black bag days.. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
cfreeman	88. RE: SPOILER- DOAKES KILLS DEXTER AT END OF SEASON Nov 29 2007, 3:27 PM EST Okay, So, my Dexter theory is as follows: Dexter has doakes locked up. He returns to his apartment. Makes it look like doakes broke in and kidnapped him through that back window dexter escaped from. I think lila will wind up at the cabin looking for jiminez, or dexter will lure her there somehow. Dexter somehow gets doakes to kill lila. Doakes could be at the cabin because he: a) was obsessed with dexters past and found the man who killed dexters mother. b) Is obsessed with dexters present and kills his girlfriend because he hates dexter. After killing lila, doakes “kills himself” (dexter makes him kill himself). When the police show up (because Angel tailed Lila to the cabin—but got there too late), dexter is chained up, making it look like doakes held him prisoner there and after he killed lila, he was going to kill dexter. This scenario is possible because he does have a gunshot wound from doakes’ gun…so it forensically confirms there was a struggle. Doakes killing himself is justified because he knew the police were on his tail, he knew he was guilty, he already killed two men earlier on in the season for “justice” (one being a hatian hitman, the other being a wife killer—which fits the BHB’s profile—a killer killing killers). Doakes also said goodbye to Laguerta, which confirms with the police he was going to do something big (like kidnapping dexter, killing lila, etc.) that would put him on death row anyway and he had nothing to live for because he destroyed his whole career. In this way, Dexter gets rid of lila without breaking Harrys Code and not killing an innocent person. Doakes’ death isn’t so much of a big deal as far as Dexters guilt goes because Doakes already killed people, so he technically was a murderer already. Dexter is cleared and free to work on the force, get back with rita, and keep on killing for season 3. Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
Luna_1965	89. RE: SPOILER- DOAKES KILLS DEXTER AT END OF SEASON Nov 29 2007, 3:30 PM EST "perhaps dex could explain the window by stating he just needed to gte away from the pressure & scrutiny.. not wanting to live in fear... besides, if doakes drugged dex the way dex drugs his vics, then doakes snatching dear dexter from his apt. is still plausible.. after all, i'm certain the good sergeant has done worse and more complex in his black bag days.. " Could be...but how., with the fbi swarming the place would Doakes have gotten dex out of the apt. unseen and through a tiny bathroom window? I think my problem is that I can't wait...antsy...anticipating it too much...unless what you're saying is that AFTER dex left the apt to seeming "get away from it all" he says he was nabbed by doakes...ah hah! maybe...just maybe that would work. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
shaolinwarriormark	90. RE: SPOILER- DOAKES KILLS DEXTER AT END OF SEASON Nov 29 2007, 3:30 PM EST about the glass, only being separeted one-way, my answer= Needle nose pliers, it's how he can say doakes did it. There, perfect alibi!!!! Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Luna_1965	91. RE: SPOILER- DOAKES KILLS DEXTER AT END OF SEASON Nov 29 2007, 4:11 PM EST I still have a hang up on the whole theory that Dex will get away with blaming doakes some how, yet NOT change his MO. If he successfully gets doakes to take the fall, then wouldn't be HAVE to change his style or would be use the lame "copy cat killer" excuse??? I hope not because that would REALLY be lame. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
CYANIDE-2600	92. RE: SPOILER- DOAKES KILLS DEXTER AT END OF SEASON Nov 29 2007, 6:25 PM EST The glass can be removed from the outside, 1 pane at a time and then sets them down as he sneaks in, Doakes was an infiltrator as well as an assassin. As for the possibility of Dexter getting out the window, he needed to get out and feel like he wasn't couped up, he decided to sneak out and meet up with Lila, on his way out he was intercepted by Doakes possibly, Lila or Rita are valid excuses for wanting to sneak out, though Rita doesn't know anything of it and Dex can't trust Lila to use as an alibi. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Morgaine	93. RE: SPOILER- DOAKES KILLS DEXTER AT END OF SEASON Nov 29 2007, 9:06 PM EST No, if Dexter admits to going out the window on his own power, none of this works. He's supposed to be a lab geek, not a cat burgler. The glass is a problem, but I'm not convinced Dexter won't make it home. I think he will. He's too good. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Luna_1965	94. RE: SPOILER- DOAKES KILLS DEXTER AT END OF SEASON Nov 30 2007, 7:38 AM EST "The glass can be removed from the outside, 1 pane at a time and then sets them down as he sneaks in, Doakes was an infiltrator as well as an assassin. As for the possibility of Dexter getting out the window, he needed to get out and feel like he wasn't couped up, he decided to sneak out and meet up with Lila, on his way out he was intercepted by Doakes possibly, Lila or Rita are valid excuses for wanting to sneak out, though Rita doesn't know anything of it and Dex can't trust Lila to use as an alibi. " I live in Florida, those panes cannot be removed from the outside, unless the writers just get sloppy and allege that. However, I do think Dexter will devise something ingenius...he will successfully implicate Doakes...and he will resume the killing. Just not sure how! Post reply Do you find this valuable?
mastershake	95. RE: SPOILER- DOAKES KILLS DEXTER AT END OF SEASON Nov 30 2007, 9:17 AM EST Haven't read book 3 and didn't know there was one out yet. Thanks for the info. Will pick it up ASAP. My speculation is only based on my take (and I could be very wrong) that I thought Dexter looks down at Doakes as he lies helplessly on the Torture table and then the last chapter is the Epilogue and Dexter is in his boat so content. I just figure he either finished Doakes off. (How could he pass up such a great opportunity to explore with the Dark Passenger, and take that "ride" with Doakes on the table?). But the series has to continue because it's a big hit right now and Dexter will need Doakes as his main protaganist unless they kill Doakes off and they bring or develop another Doakes type protag. I can see Doakes getting maimed perhaps or losing a limb or an eye, and blaming Dexter which fuels his hatred and tenacity. That would probably be the most obvious outcome if Doakes is to get the sh*& end of the stick. At least that's what I think because the series has to continue and I don't think the series execs are stupid enough to kill off Micheal C. Hall and end a great paycheck to line their pockets with. Not this early in its success. Any ideas on this? Post reply Do you find this valuable?
CYANIDE-2600	96. RE: SPOILER- DOAKES KILLS DEXTER AT END OF SEASON Nov 30 2007, 11:25 AM EST "I live in Florida, those panes cannot be removed from the outside, unless the writers just get sloppy and allege that. However, I do think Dexter will devise something ingenius...he will successfully implicate Doakes...and he will resume the killing. Just not sure how!" Maybe the're different in america but here in england we have that type of window in some mills from the 1970s, theres a little metal clip in each end which can be popped out, so long as the window is open to ventilate the glass can be removed. Although if it's set to close it cannot be swiveled to the open position as they have a locking mechanism which stops them moving. He has to frame doakes in some way, it's annoying really as Erik King says in interviews that in a way he "understands" the character motivation of dex as there sometimes should be some "rough justice" Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Morgaine	97. RE: SPOILER- DOAKES KILLS DEXTER AT END OF SEASON Nov 30 2007, 4:27 PM EST I feel like they did all of this a season too early. I can't see us ever getting back to Dexter killing the way he did before. It's going to stop being Dexter and start being a rip-off of the fugitive if they aren't careful. I like Dexter when he's on top of things, not constantly in crisis mode. From what you guys have said about the books, it sounds as if in them that Dexter doesn't hesitate to get rid of people he works with. On the show, they seem to treat most of his co-workers as off-limits, possibly because people get attached to the characters, or it's easier to keep the same actors under contract. Whatever the reason, can you see Dexter feeling justified in killing LaGuerta? I can't believe he's as hung up on killing Doakes as he is. He'd have no basis at all to kill LaGuerta, would he? Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
CYANIDE-2600	98. RE: SPOILER- DOAKES KILLS DEXTER AT END OF SEASON Nov 30 2007, 5:19 PM EST "I feel like they did all of this a season too early. I can't see us ever getting back to Dexter killing the way he did before. It's going to stop being Dexter and start being a rip-off of the fugitive if they aren't careful. I like Dexter when he's on top of things, not constantly in crisis mode. From what you guys have said about the books, it sounds as if in them that Dexter doesn't hesitate to get rid of people he works with. On the show, they seem to treat most of his co-workers as off-limits, possibly because people get attached to the characters, or it's easier to keep the same actors under contract. Whatever the reason, can you see Dexter feeling justified in killing LaGuerta? I can't believe he's as hung up on killing Doakes as he is. He'd have no basis at all to kill LaGuerta, would he?" In the books LaGuerta was killed because she found out about Dexter & Brian at the end of the book she was also getting really close into his buisness, too touchy feely and generally over the top, the series hints at it more than the book did, but if I were Dex then no LaGuerta wouldn't need to be killed, wheras Doakes would. I would personally inject him with insulin to mimic a heart attack of poison his coffee with nicotine to have a similar effect. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Morgaine	99. RE: SPOILER- DOAKES KILLS DEXTER AT END OF SEASON Nov 30 2007, 5:40 PM EST They say on this wiki that LaGuerta is supposed to be attracted to Dexter, but I haven't really seen that in the series. Has anyone else? Post reply Do you find this valuable?
dexgal	100. RE: SPOILER- DOAKES KILLS DEXTER AT END OF SEASON Nov 30 2007, 8:44 PM EST "They say on this wiki that LaGuerta is supposed to be attracted to Dexter, but I haven't really seen that in the series. Has anyone else? " She just reminds me of the boss in the office who just wants to have a chance with all the young, available "talent." Maybe she also senses he possesses that indefinable "something" and is intrigued. Haven't seen that as much this season as last; I guess because we've seen more of her previous relationship with Doakes revealed. Post reply Do you find this valuable?

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